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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 3, 2022

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I am curious, because I saw it written many times here, but had no chance to investigate more.

What happened to the Alt-Right movement, and what makes it very different from the dissident right of now?

I'm sure there's more inside baseball, but I think people stopped self-describing as "alt-right" after the Charlottesville debacle.

I never saw anyone self describe as "alt right."

If you have an example, please provide one.

Maybe I'm misremembering but I believe it was a media applied label.

Edit:

upon further inquiry, I still believe that it is basically a media applied label in most cases.

from the SPLC:

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/alt-right

As I read the SPLC page about the alt-right, I am more convinced that virtually nobody, outside of Richard Spencer and of a few of his associates, uses the term alt-right.

The one professor listed as included in the movement was condemned by his own university.

It seems as if these are the same 500 people that showed up at Charlottesville.

So my initial statement stands, with one caveat, outside of Richard Spencer and his immediate associates, I don't know anybody who refers to themselves as "alt-right."

From the SPLC:

Although Spencer has positioned himself as the effective leader of the alt-right, other proponents include several well-known names on the far right, including Jared Taylor, editor of the American Renaissance racist journal; Greg Johnson of the publishing house Counter-Currents; Matthew Parrott and Matthew Heimbach of the Traditionalist Youth Network; and Mike "Enoch" Peinovich, who runs The Right Stuff blog. But the general population of the alt-right is composed, by and large, of anonymous youths who were exposed to the movement’s ideas through online message boards like 4chan and 8chan’s /pol/ and Internet platforms like Reddit and Twitter.

I looked on google analytics and it looks like the term exploded in 2015 around the time of Hillary's speech asserting a link between Trump and the alt-right, followed shortly by a New York Times article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/us/politics/alt-right-reaction.html

Hillary Clinton, speaking in Reno, Nev., highlighted Donald J. Trump’s support by the “alt-right” movement, saying he is “taking hate groups mainstream.”

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The term is sufficiently poisoned at this point that people certainly aren't going to willingly describe themselves this way and have probably even tried to scrub any history of having ever done so, but my recollection was a decent number of people on the far right referring to themselves as alt-right, to the point where there was some pushback on Spencer for trying to grab all the glory of leading it. I really doubt that I'll be able to find any meaningful evidence of that, but my recollection is that the term was used by people up to something like the Bannon wing of politics prior to Charlottesville.

I voted for Hillary so wasn't really paying attention. Another user showed there was an /r/altright sub. But I am curious how many followers it has. If it's less than 500 then I feel like my point stands. Maybe I came along later, but I distinctly recall it being used often as a conflationary slur in the same way that "white supremacist" later began to be used.

archive.org should have a premium subscription that makes your requests take <200ms i'd pay at least 100/month for it

this shows "12395 Fashy Goys" (i.e. reddit subscribers, the reddit skin lets you rename it, often subs do themed ones) . Although from browsing said spaces for a while, there are a lot more people that who are alt-right or similar overall.