Agree with @fruck. Learning to date is an important skill but life has much more to offer. If you keep seeing things through a manosphere/PUA lens you will miss out.
You don’t have to hate or despise women to not treat them instrumentally, in fact it’s easier to manipulate people if you don’t give a shit about them.
I’m in the motte so I definitely don’t demonize anything to the right, but it is difficult to impossible to have meaningful and long lasting relationships with men or women if you detach yourself from people emotionally. You can learn to socialize and practice get better etc in a healthier way. If you know about frame, the idea is to have a healthier mental frame while still doing the same practice.
Of course it's your choice, but from my experience being in a loving relationship is one of the greatest things about life. Even redpill folks talk a lot about LTRs. Something to think about.
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Agree with @fruck. Learning to date is an important skill but life has much more to offer. If you keep seeing things through a manosphere/PUA lens you will miss out.
You don’t have to hate or despise women to not treat them instrumentally, in fact it’s easier to manipulate people if you don’t give a shit about them.
I’m in the motte so I definitely don’t demonize anything to the right, but it is difficult to impossible to have meaningful and long lasting relationships with men or women if you detach yourself from people emotionally. You can learn to socialize and practice get better etc in a healthier way. If you know about frame, the idea is to have a healthier mental frame while still doing the same practice.
Of course it's your choice, but from my experience being in a loving relationship is one of the greatest things about life. Even redpill folks talk a lot about LTRs. Something to think about.
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