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naraburns  nihil supernum  1yr ago (text post)   3771 thread views

Small-Scale Question Sunday for October 9, 2022

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Edit: from the response I'm getting I understand that this site had undergone a "normiefication" of sorts. Time to log out forever and never visit it again. Hope you well.

Edit: from the response I'm getting I understand that this site had undergone a "normiefication" of sorts. Time to log out forever and never visit it again. Hope you well.

How about you do the non "normie" thing and explain why you feel as such as opposed to this performative "time to log out forever" shit.

Edit: from the response I'm getting I understand that this site had undergone a "normiefication" of sorts. Time to log out forever and never visit it again. Hope you well.

Ball collected. Home returned to.

Because no amount of genetics can sidetsep the laws of physics.

Well, one major reason is that obesity is almost entirely a phenomenon of the last 50 years or so. People in past generations maintained a healthy weight regardless of nature. That doesn't entirely rule out the role of nature - perhaps something in the environment has changed in the last 50 years that people with certain genetic predispositions are especially susceptible to. But my impression is that all that's changed is food is so much more delicious and ubiquitous. And in that case, it really does just start to look like a failure of will (except for people who are fat, know they're fat, and accept the health and aesthetic tradeoffs because they just love food so much. All the power to 'em!).

Now, you could be reductive and claim that this failure of will is largely nature too. People's ability to abstain from overeating is surely partly nature like everything else about our behavior is. And as someone who doesn't even believe in free will, I'm certainly on board with that at a certain extremely abstract level of analysis. But outside of philosophical musing, I assess someone who can't resist overeating the same way I assess someone who can't resist reckless driving, drug use, risky casual sex, and lashing out in anger: I hold them responsible, regardless of the contribution of their genes to their behavior.

People in past generations maintained a healthy weight regardless of nature.

I don't believe this is correct. Was gross obesity vastly less common in the past? Yes, definitely. But malnourishment and starvation were considerably more common, to a degree that exceeded the rate of modern obesity at least in some times and places.

You're right! I suppose I meant to write "were able to avoid obesity". And I'm thinking less pre-modern times and more 50-100 years ago.

Well, because while legit differences in hunger levels, energy to do sport, conscientiousness and so on exist, they aren't major enough to prevent someone from becoming fit. Not Mister Olympia fit, not even "look at my serratus anterior" fit, but in shape.

Jamal Brown being an ADoS from the hood means we shouldn't really expect him to win a Nobel Prize or even graduate from an Ivy, but this doesn't mean he's unable to graduate from high school and get into a community college. Yes, it will require a lot of additional effort, yes, he won't intuitively grasp or enjoy algebra the way other kids do, but in this rather broad band of "average performance" his disadvantageous traits aren't an insurmountable barrier.

Chip McBurger being a soda-chugging kid from a family of land whales means we shouldn't expect him to obtain the body of a Greek god, but this doesn't mean he's unable to maintain a healthy BMI. Yes, it will require additional effort, yes, he won't enjoy running and jumping and playing ball the way other kids do, but in this rather broad band of "average performance" his disadvantageous traits aren't an insurmountable barrier.

Do you have any examples? I have not seen people arguing that people do not have natural differences in conscientiousness etc.

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