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Twitter had a very interesting few days before Christmas, we even saw the return of the huwhite man Jared Taylor to Twitter, which is a fairly surprising thing. I try to not post about India but this is kinda important and has to do with the US so here we go.
In the h1b debate, the point about country caps for skilled migration in the US recently picked up a lot of steam. Trump appointed Sriram as Senior policy advisor for artificial intelligence and his tweets about the removal of h1b caps caused a lot of chaos. David Sacks and the entirety of the tech platoon was defending Sriram, the removal of country caps and ultimately sacks tweeted that Sriram will not control the vias issues since his department is AI.. Many also pointed out Srirams tweet where he openly advocates for active IQ Shredding. Spandrell who coined the term IQ shredders as an example makes a case against such migration as in the end both nations lose bio capital, sriram for instance believes America to be an idea over a people and is fine with all smart Indians leaving en masse which will drop the average iq permanently here. They won't have kids in the US either and the US will have to keep incentivising more people to join to keep up the rate of tech innovation.
India has the highest wait times for h1b visas due to having had IT sweatshops and plenty of fraudsters hustle the legal immigration route. You see most H1Bs coming from three states of 29 here and IT sweatshops which make the backbone of the Indian IT sector indulging in absolute fraud to the point of regular fines spanning more than a decade, fun fact, the founder of Infosys is Former English Prime Minister Rishi Sunaks Father in law. It is a difficult thing, India itself has had anti-migration sentiments within the country as the largest IT hub Bangalore has people routinely asking for fewer migrants as they are not Kannadigas, the local ethnic group.
The political class, however, was unanimously criticising it. Blake Masters, another Theil Capital person turned politician, even asked for the total removal of H1Bs and only keeping O1 visas. All factions of the right did this, including Andrew Torba, Zionists like Laura Loomer, dissidents like BAP, Captive Dreamer and ofc Groypers.
Full disclosure, I am an Indian guy who is in tech, I am still in my home country and cannot comment on this topic without being called a self-hating Indian. India has fat tails and a lot of Indians are not politically scheming migrants, at least not the competent ones. I can't lie about this on an anonymous forum here since I don't like lying but inevitably I also cannot say this publicly as I don't want decent people to get cornered. I am an Indian dude who very likely may migrate after all. It is far easier to simply generalise groups, Tutsis or Yorubas are simply seen as Africans. The Amerikaner is correct but if you are an upper-caste male here, you will never sniff political power, anyone who is smart will be made to live as a nerd and might as well be a nerd doing cooler stuff in a better society than live here and be treated like garbage.
Trump is unlikely to curb the h1b but the most likely outcome will still be more Telugus and other south Indian states having a small number of sweatshops gaming the migration in the US even harder like Gujarati and Punjabis in Canada and rest of the anglosphere.
Update - the situation has worsened with Laura Loomer and other conservatives losing thier verification status and Elon calling them all subtards.
We clearly have very different definitions of Based. Displaying traits of Elite Human capital is based in my book, and Elon not wavering despite the wailing and gnashing of millions of Low Human Capital to me demonstrates a level of resolve few have.
Many South Asians are, of course, elite human capital, but I have yet to be persuaded that the average Infosys H-1B is. And again, I say that as someone who has no strong opinion on H1B numbers while so much unskilled immigration is a bigger priority, even though I think the current number of the former is likely too high and they should be auctioned rather than the subject of a lottery.
Absolutely agree on the auction thing, although I personally think the number of H1-Bs is too low. The lottery system is the product of yet another brain worm commonly found in Homo sapiens occidentalis where they are not content to merely pick all of the best because it would be oh so unfair if all the underdogs lose out just because there are better specimens them in the pool...
Would be interesting at the very least to see what the H1-B market clearing price is at different levels of visa availability. We could even have derivatives like H1-B futures which allow firms to hedge away the risk of prices spiking in future years and guarantee a certain steady level of supply years down the line if they know roughly how many people they'll be needing! And of course whereever there's a derivatives market there will be market makers and speculators! I can already sort of think of a simple trading strategy for pricing them...
I can’t speak for H1B specifically but the proper use of lotteries, like sumptuary laws, is preventing the expenditure of much blood and gold for objectively tiny gains. Putting your child through hours of cram school every week to increase their grades by 1%, say.
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I think the auction would be the best system, and would probably also balance out migrant demographics because professionals in Europe would be more willing to apply if there was some certainty; right now the process is dominated by Indians not because nobody else wants to move to the US but because of the specific ‘spray and pray’ strategy that these big tech consulting / outsourcing firms use where they have all 100,000 engineers a year apply and 5,000 or whatever get it.
Lack of certainty is yet another thing which I find absolutely BS about many things in the US. For instance whether or not particular medical treatments are covered on insurance. I know people who were told their procedure wasn't covered but after multiple hours of calling their insurers and angry back and forth finally got told it was. This type of dithering is bad, either you the insurer cover something or you don't; what exactly you cover should be made available in an easy to access list and it should not be possible to argue with you about what the policy you are selling includes to get other treatments OK'd. That just benefits the time rich at the expense of the time poor, who are by and large people who's time is valuable and so those who likely actually contribute to society.
Pick a damn list of treatments, make it public and stick to it. If that list means people stop using you because your product is overpriced for what it offers well then it's your own fault which you can fix by making another product which covers more things at a similar price.
Of course this lack of certainty also extends to other places like College admissions etc.: I was decently (>50%) sure I would be given an offer by the Oxbridge college I applied to at the moment of application based on my assessment of my abilities, you can't say anything like that for any Ivy tier US university unless you're like a legacy athlete or something.
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