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Rotherham, H1B's and the news cycle on X
On X (formerly Twitter), Elon likes to say "You are the media now". I think, he's... kinda right.
One thing that always amazed me about the mainstream media was their ability to control the news cycle. You'd wake up one Monday, and all of a sudden the entire media would be talking about one story like it's the most important thing in the world. Everyone is using the exact same language, repeating the same facts, etc... You'd be forgiven for thinking that a government propaganda bureau is directing it all from a central office. But the media wasn't actively conspiring, it was just group think and herd-following.
What's more, it mattered. Stories that got major media exposure led to real action from political and corporate leaders. The summer of George Floyd may have been the platonic ideal of this.
Well, X seems to have its own news cycle now.
Last week, X was aflame with a intra-right culture war between those who support and those who oppose high-skill immigration, especially from India. Feelings were hurt, accounts were banned, and it didn't die down until Trump made a statement.
This week, the big story is the Rotherham grooming gangs. I'm not exactly sure why it's being revisited now, but every other story in my feed is about the horrific crimes and the massive coverup which extends in England to this day. Perhaps people smell blood in the water. Kier Starmer, the incredibly unpopular PM of the UK, was head of CPS during the critical years. It seems he chose not to aggressively prosecute many of the monsters who gang-raped 13 year olds.
In my opinion, X provides a better platform for ideas to percolate into the public's consciousness. In the past, unless a story was "too big to ignore" like the Trump assassination, corporate newsrooms could and did bury stories that reflected their political team in a negative light. This can't happen on X. Moreover, a lot of the coverage of news events is less retarded on X (depending on who you follow of course). I'm sure there were lots of bad takes during the H1B kurfluffle, but I didn't see many. I saw a lot of nuanced but fearless conversation that went a lot deeper than anything you'd be likely to see on ABC or in Time Magazine.
I think that there is some special sauce in the technology.
Traditional journalism is top down. We (the authority figures) tell you what to think. On the other extreme, discussion sites like Reddit allow anonymous accounts to speak with the same authority as established ones. As a result, they are gamed by bots, and flooded with low value opinions. X seems to be a hybrid. Authority figures can post to their audience, but they cannot do so without getting pushback from others. When using it, I somehow feel connected to the people and ideas that matter.
I'll probably have to delete the app again in a few weeks.
The rotherham news is fairly gruesome, i was aware of this abck in 2019 and am happy that more are talking about this. I cannot imagine even India as a country letting people get away with rape of underage girls the way UK did. Maybe I am wrong and all of what I read was propoganda but it seems fairly consistent with what you see back in the subcontinent, the UK should deport people en masse at least those who did touch girls but I am not sure if they will do anything at all.
You have the usual suspects hand waving and downplaying the entire incident because they are either leftists or from the subcontinent which is not surprising. There is no punishment severe enough for people who do this. here is Sulaiman Ahmad, a friend of Nick fuentes who is trying his best logical fallacies to blame da joos for mass rapes, tom holland living being the personification of soy morality. I wish I were surprised but I have been too online now.
You even had cases of people shotgun marrying girls to their groomers. Twitter allowing Jared Taylor back again this time and having Elon publicly tweeting about this all day is a very good sign. Still unsure if this will lead to anything substantial.
India is complicated. If it happens in a developed area to middle class folks, you can generally expect the response that @KulakRevolt calls for when white people are the victims (unless politicians kids are the rapist, in which case it gets covered up).
High profile example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape_and_murder
All but the juvenile were either hanged or epsteined.
In many cases things will be handled extrajudicially. In a case I know about, the perpetrator of a crime that fell far short of rape was beaten nearly to death and put on a train back to his home village, told he'd be killed if he returned.
If it happens in some village, that's a whole different world and all kinds of things might happen: blame the victim, public lynching of perpetrators, forced marriage, wait for a sign from God...
Treating India as a single country is kind of a fallacy.
It is not one homogenous people, there are overarching similarities. Unfortunately, with more of the good people moving out, this wont stay the same forever. In India you get a lot of inconsistency in justice for these things. You even had politicians make statements that boys will be boys and the girl was asking for it, dismal.
Note that you are citing a politician who is widely criticized for opposing the death penalty for rape due to concerns over false accusations. "Boys will be boys" is not a reasonable English translation of his comment, but Indian media is just as biased as western.
The median rapist in the US serves 4.2 years and US leftists think this is too long.
https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2019/03/how-much-time-do-criminals-really-serve.html
India has many issues, but it isn't Pakistan by a long shot - although UP (where Mulayam is from) is of course one of the more Pakistan-like places.
As it relates to recent discussions more relevant here: the Indians going to Britain and America are Tamil and Bengali Brahmins.
The table shows that "Rape/sexual assault" has a median of 4.2 years before first release, which is the second-longest (shorter than murder by a lot, longer than negligent homicide by a little). However, not all of that is rape. Some sexual assault is just rape by another name, but "sexual assault" also includes lesser offenses such as groping.
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No, Indians in the US are mostly Telugus who scam the most, gujratis and punjabis in canada, punjabis in the uk again but they are pakistanis but they are not brahmins or even upper caste mostly. This is simply not true as the three states I mentioned are mostly middle caste states.
India is inherently an unsafe place for women, period, people here are very creepy, I do not self identify with them and that is for a good reason. Most rapes here go unreported.
Yes, it despite all its issues is way safer than its neighbors, you can see girls in thongs in goa, cannot imagine that anywhere else in the subcontinent. Still, it is inherently a bad place for women, most of the biocapital here is bottom of the barrel. Some parts of SEA are safer than europe now for women simply because they do not have an influx of people overrepresented in crime statistics.
yes, but Muslim ghettos here are basically secluded zones so they are not far off, this goes for any and all places. Tamil Nadu and Bengal have a worse future than UP. UP has a sizeable upper caste population, more Tamil Brahmins exist outside of Tamil Nadu, Bengal will have more muslims than Hindus by the turn of the century and the upper castes (kayasthas and brahmins) have already started packing thier bags.
He was a terrible person by all accounts, got kar sevaks punished for the Ram Mandir, comes form a middle caste that wrecked havoc in Bihar, did the same in UP after their failed Sanskritization comments and made even worse remarks on camera.
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What I am wondering here is why you are talking about India if it were actually Pakistanis, at least according to the few articles I've read. Of course this is also the subcontinent, but why aren't the Indians against their enemies? I assumed India and Pakistan really don't like each other? Do they want to be blamed unjustly? Or is the culture regarding this behavior similar enough that they don't really mind being put together?
By subcontinent I meant to include the whole of the region from Afghanistan till Bangladesh. Indians despise Pakistan and to an extent Sikhs. Every single Hindu nationalists keeping track of these events and indians in the UK don't align as much with Pakistan.
Indians don't commit sexual assault or other crimes at the same rate as Afghanistan or Pakistan if you go by media perception.
The behaviors across the subcontinent don't vary very much sadly. I dislike Pakistan and Afghanistan, they embody all of Indias pitfalls but somehow make it worse.
One of the mods here is an Indian in the UK lol
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The people who did this should have the shit beaten out of them followed by a public hanging (short drop method, it needs to be painful pour encourager les autres). It's the only way to keep those like them under control and the sooner westerners recognize this the better.
Well said.
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Yes, one cannot argue with that!
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