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Yeah, not how I read it this time or the first time I read it, and I don't have access to your emotional state so I'm going to avoid guessing. It reads more like something I saw regularly on Reddit in the past, where someone would derail a debate about the exact borders of consent or a prominent rape allegation with a post that similarly challenged the reader: "OH, so you're saying it was ok that man raped me while I was blacked out drunk?" Discrediting someone's victimization rarely persuades anyone, and especially not the poster. And you risk inciting an outburst.
Anyway because the only details provided to me are in the one sentence challenge comment, while the poster challenging me has all the details, it's a no-win situation for the reply, because even if you think you analyze it properly the poster can always just reply with new details which weren't in the original post. Like, if you reply to the above hypo "Well, if you chose to drink and your boyfriend didn't know things had changed;" she'll probably just reply "Actually it was a stranger and he slipped everclear into my drink."
If you really want to use your personal experience, you need to provide that kind of context in advance. Like "Hey, this wasn't traumatic for me at all, I'm just presenting it as a narrow hypothetical, no additional facts."
What would be your "well what if X made it ok" in that scenario then?
That's why I asked the question: what would make a bunch of people who were super into "Me Too" and abolishing any potential for sketchy behavior in school and the workplace suddenly get so evasive about this?
If It's never ok for a 25 year old professor to talk to a 22 year old student without the office door open for fear of grooming, why the reluctance to call out weird sex stuff with leftist teachers and kids? Because to an observer the explanation looks an awful lot like "we don't want to prevent that, and oppose any attempt by concerned parents to prevent it until it's fully normalized."
Quibbling over the terminology and trying to prevent any word being used to describe the behavior is just Freddie's "please just tell me what word I am allowed to use" post in action yet again.
Well the premise is false, so who cares? A->B is always true, and usually not very interesting, if ~A. If we're willing to lynch witches on obviously false accusations, why not lynch my neighbor for calling me an asshole, which he at least did do something wrong? If those communist democrats love their violent black soros-funded mobs so much, why can't we firebomb a few abortion clinics? If my grandma's a monkey, then i'm a mixed-species freak of nature, and I can make billions by selling my tissue to biolabs. These are stupid statements! You know the former is a dumb left-wing thing, and is being done for stupid, hypocritical reasons, so - why bring it up - and what does it prove about the latter? They could entirely hypothetically correctly understand the latter doesn't matter, and that the former doesn't matter, and just be delusional about the former - and be in the wrong only in the former case.
Again, why are you being so obtuse and evasive about this? Either you think it's good or you don't, so why can't you just say it instead of spewing defensive ink everywhere?
The refusal to give a yes or no answer tells me the answer is "we'd rather not take a position agaisnt that just in case the party decides it's time to celebrate it"
I've said multiple times today that nobody should ever be trans, it's a crime against nature, confused, degeneracy, et cetera.
You're just doing a moral purity spiral, and have no interest in engaging in the details of why trans exist, what's happening with the people who are trans, etc. And certainly nothing about, like, conversational norms or meta-debate, which is what OP was mostly about.
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