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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 31, 2022

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Essentially what @PutAHelmetOn said, by controlling for factors that are not genetics you are effectively baking the assumption that genetics is the primary causal factor into your study.

As for whether the cultural explanation is "monstrous" well that's one of the fundamental points of disagreement between the blue tribe and the red.

It is a lie.

If we study fighting abilities of men vs women, controlling for upper body muscle mass, does it bake in assumption that form of genitals is more important to fighting than muscle?

This seems like a confused idea around what controlling for factors means. If the difference persists after the controlling then those factors are not responsible for the difference. If the difference goes away then the controlled factors are shown to actually be causal. If you could control 100% of non genetic factors you'd have an exact measure of the genetic component's impact. If you could control 100% of genetic factors then you'd get an exact measure of environment.

This seems like a confused idea around what controlling for factors means. If the difference persists after the controlling then those factors are not responsible for the difference. If the difference goes away then the controlled factors are shown to actually be causal.

Yes, I get that and my point is that this cuts both ways. IE when you control for genetics the differences don't go away. A cynic such as myself might suspect that this is why HBDist seem to hate talking about effect sizes

IE when you control for genetics the differences don't go away.

source?

FWIW, there's large environmental differences between rich countries (like yours) and poor countries, but this usually isn't talked much about.

Yes there are, and we don't talk about them here because because their existence undermines both the CRT and HBD narratives preffered by progressive academics and supports the cultural narrative preferred by the trad-right.

If you control for genetics and the difference doesn't go away then you have found the environmental difference. If it's equal to the total difference then I'd be interested in what studies you're talking about.

What was it that you said? If the difference persists after the controlling then those factors are not responsible for the difference. The sword cuts both ways.

Yes, again I'm unsure why you think this is bad for hbd.

It's not bad per se, but it's not "good" either which is my actual point. IE it doesn't actually prove what the HBDists seem to think it prove. Motte meet Bailey.

Can you actually lay out your objection in full? From this series of posts it seems like you are having trouble with controlling for variables in general which would require you to throw out basically every study ever done.

The PNH proves too much. Yes, of course, we can't write a formal proof about racial outcomes because the universe is infinitely nuanced and we have but discreet measures. It's the same reason we have a theory and not a proof of gravity. But there is plenty of evidence pointing at HBD and at this point we're beyond a reasonable doubt. This whole topic is pure sophistry to put a science sounding vaneer on the desire to believe something socially desirable despite all evidence to the contrary. It's still possible things will start falling up, but they won't, and the OP knows that.

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