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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022

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What's up with fiction?

I haven't read any since high school English class, but my fiancée does. She often buys the trendy stuff that has won some awards and is (I assume) prominently displayed at Indigo. Hanya Yanagihara and and Sally Rooney are two recent examples.

After asking her about her current book over the last couple years, I have come to realize that all of them are mostly based around the following things:

  1. Sexual abuse, especially molestation

  2. Homosexuality or transsexuality

  3. Main character is black or similar, everyone is racist towards them except the good guy(s)

  4. Main character is disabled somehow

While these plot points are basically mandatory to win a book award now, a lot of "classic literature" is just old books that happened to contain these themes. For example, Truman Capote would not be a big deal had he not been a homo who wrote about homo stuff.

None of this is that interesting, but it is weird how well the title of "literature" and book awards launder what is essentially gratuitous descriptions of homosexual molestation into something tasteful and classy. Is this widely known? I get the sense that this is something most right-wing men just have no idea about.

I get the sense that this is something most right-wing men just have no idea about.

Boys and men tend to read less. In addition, a lot of institutions involved in publishing and reviewing/rewarding books subscribe to socially progressive ideas, meaning that they're more receptive if a book flatters ideas like "written by a non-white person" or "writing about modern social issues".

The more interesting question is what effect dominates more: a greater population demanding more books of the type they like to read, or a small but powerful group of literary influencers/authorities trying to promote/support social progressivism? Because for all the fire and rage about "woke" novels winning awards for their politics, you'd be hard-pressed to argue that there's something wrong with people democratically wanting more books that fit their tastes.

To be clear, John Ringo and Orson Scott Card and the monster hunters international guy are all publishing lots while being pretty clearly on the right, and James Patterson #998 or similar apolitical suspense/thriller/romance novels from high volume authors are probably the most popular novels in general.

My priors are that most of these awards are intended for whatever’s in vogue among the elite and what actually sells has nothing to do with it, whether that’s books about middle aged English professors contemplating adultery for 500 pages or books about transgenders being oppressed for 500 pages. In days past it would have been the former, but nowadays it’s more fashionable to talk about intersectional crap.