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Transnational Thursday for March 13, 2025

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The Süddeutsche Zeitung and the Zeit, two of the most respected mainstream-left german newspaper just released back-to-back articles on the BND (german foreign intelligence) internal evidence pointing to the lab-leak theory being correct with 90%+. Not surprising, you think, and old news too boot? Well, as it turns out, they concluded this ... in 2020. And given the risk of bioweapon development this implies, they'd have been near-required to tell then-chancellor Merkel. And health ministry Jens Spahn. When the administration changed in 2021 to Scholz, he was also told with overwhelming likelihood. According to the two papers, all of them were in fact told personally by then-and-current BND president Bruno Kahl.

Similar to the US establishment, the german establishment at the time went on what can only be described as a hunt against even mentioning the possibility of a lab leak. To quote the top german establishment expert of the time, Christian Drosten: "We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. [...] Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus. We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture."

The source here matters a lot, since both of these are consistently pro-establishment in general and especially so during the Corona crisis. There is very little reason for them to publish this spuriously, and frankly it's a surprise they're willing to publish it even now.

Whether you believe the BNDs internal evidence or not doesn't matter. Whether you personally think that the lab-leak theory is correct doesn't matter (FWIW, I think most foreign intelligence service have an obvious bias towards conspiratorial thinking, so if they say 90%+, it's probably more in the 60%+ range). What does matter, however, is that our own government secretly concluded that the lab-leak theory is correct or at the very least highly plausible, but instead of supporting what they viewed as the truth or at least the open discourse on a key question, they actively supported slander and misinformation.

Tbh, I'm still kind of reeling about what to conclude after Corona. Due to some personal experiences, but also the generally repressive climate of the time combined with the information coming out now that most mainstream talking points were wrong, it was a major step in my own worldview realignment. In particular, I used to have the naive anti-conspiracy view that it's almost impossible to keep an important one going due to a single defection blowing everything up, even if smaller and/or more specific ones may happen. Nowadays I think through a smart combination of only telling people as much as they need to know while also making clear what they're supposed to think through scare tactics, slander and repression, arbitrarily large-scale conspiracies can keep going as long as enough people can be convinced it's important. A single defector isn't a problem, because it's trivial to present them as just an evil person spreading misinformation for personal gain.

Vor einem Gericht, glaubt einer der Beteiligten, würde nichts davon Bestand haben. /

/ One of the participants believes it would not hold up in court

Na ja, dann natürlich... The germans really cant help themselves.

Es soll jetzt schnell gehen, was wohl auch mit zwei politischen Veränderungen zu tun hat: Wenn eine neue Bundesregierung unter Friedrich Merz (CDU) im Kanzleramt auf eine weggeschlossene Geheimbewertung des BND stieße, würde das kritische Fragen nach sich ziehen. Zudem hat der BND seine Schlussfolgerungen Ende 2024 mit der CIA geteilt. Was die Deutschen denken, weiß also bald auch die Trump-Regierung. /

/ They are in a hurry, likely related to to political changes: If a new government under Merz (center-right) found the secret report locked away in the office of the chancellor, it would lead to critical questions. Furthermore the BDN shared its conclusions with the CIA in december 2024. What the germans thing, the Trump administration will know soon after.

I do wonder if the decision to tell the americans really came before the worries about the new german government, especially with Trump already elected. I certainly thought about the timing right away.