site banner

Culture War Roundup for the week of November 14, 2022

This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.

Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.

We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:

  • Shaming.

  • Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.

  • Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.

  • Recruiting for a cause.

  • Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.

In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:

  • Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.

  • Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.

  • Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.

  • Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.

On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.

12
Jump in the discussion.

No email address required.

You can't price graphics cards dynamically because OEMs and third party manufacturers would be completely screwed. Nobody would be able to produce cards except the company that designed them.

OEMs and third party manufacturers would be completely screwed.

Interestingly, that's what nVidia's been doing for the last few years. EVGA is no longer working with them mainly for that reason, and every other company still making GPUs with them doesn't make most of their money on those products to begin with.

You mean like Alienware not being able to sell prebuilt gaming PCs if Nvidia goes dynamic? Or AIB partners like Asus/MSI/EVGA?

For one, this can be sidestepped if the prerelease period where cards are dynamically priced are targeted toward only the DIY crowd. But even during general release, I don't see why OEMs and AIBs can't dynamically price too, at least online. It's probably trivial to have Nvidia set up an API that publishes its prices in real time so OEMs can do a simple cost-plus. Retail is more difficult, but dynamic pricing is being deployed in physical locations too with digital price tags that can change many times a day.

I'd also argue the entire ecosystem will benefit from disruption. Some players will suffer if they cannot adapt quickly, but that should leave more profit for those that can innovate away the inefficiencies around secondary markets. A physical store that resists change might not be all that different from car dealers that lobby against allowing consumers to buy directly from manufacturers.

It's not trivial. You can't change the price of retail goods that quickly from the manufacturer side. That's just not how it works.

Plenty have been impossible or "not how it works", until they're forced to adapt by innovation. I'm sure travel agents everywhere argued the same at the advent of the Expedias of the world. Same for cab companies when Ubers came out--no way drivers and riders would accept unpredictable prices! You can only operate on a fixed rate from downtown to the airport or a flat fee plus fixed price per mile and minute!

No business is going to buy a fleet of new trucks sold at an uncertain price that fluctuates monthly. No dealership is going to agree to sell vehicles without knowing exactly what the margin will be ahead of time.

I don't mean to be flippant toward you, but my response would be... so?

Tesla and its sincere imitators push hard to skip dealers, and as far as I can tell, consumers generally like that. Let dealerships fail, particularly those in states protected by law from competition.