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One thing to note that I believe is true - the NAACP's fundraiser used this incident as an issue, but the funding was just for them. None of it was going to the family, so I'm not sure they lost anything by turning it down.
Honestly at this point if someone started a crowdfunding thing for me - whatever it was - and it tipped over probably around $50k I would not turn it down. I wouldn't care if it was people doing it to send a signal or whatever. I just can't believe this many people are stupid enough to donate. Being part of a CW flashpoint basically means people win the lottery, which is completely unfair. 90% of the people involved somehow turn out to be pieces of shit!
This is actually a kind of interesting question--the reports I read initially said that the NAACP fundraiser was intended to cover presumed legal expenses for the family to pursue justice. Crowdfunding "to cover legal expenses" does seem to actually just be enterprising lawyers doing lawyer things--a very Chicago moment, if you've seen that musical.
However the NAACP GoFundMe page now claims that 100% of the money is going into a trust for the kid and his family. Be that as it may, trusts have operating fees, so there's still a grifting angle.
Are you saying this whole thing was orchestrated by the (((trustees))) to make a few thousand a year?
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