sarker
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There's a lot to unpack here. But what strikes me is that so many "rationalists" turn out to be susceptible to basic bitch woo tactics.
Around this time, James recalls, another bodyworker visited Leverage to give them advice, and “brought crystals and herbs and stuff like that, and arranged them in the room. It actually seemed to make a difference.” They kept the crystals.
You would expect a hard core of rationalist autists who wouldn't fall for this, but it seems hard to decide a priori who they are, and certainly many of the characters here would seem to fit the bill. It's unclear to me to what extent rationalism is even protective against this stuff, certainly many people in the genpop would head for the door once the crystals come out.
If you can fool rationalists with the usual bag of tricks, that seems pretty bad for the "rationalists should win" project.
What some societies do to 25 year olds that have a 17 year old girlfriend is like a bully killing his victim, not a victim punching his bully.
Well, that's because they go behind the families' backs behind society's back!
ignorant understanding of how human romance actually works all the way down.
Really? Because fucking 17 year olds has not been the norm in western Europe basically ever.
This is the best solution to childhood bullies actually.
In that case you shouldn't be surprised when people tell you that you can't have sex with underage girls and they'll put you in prison if you try. After all, it will be your fault!
Nice try, but you said she was.
Hardly. I said two consenting adults getting married should not be an issue, and 13 is obviously not an adult. Not that the events of the play would have been any different had she been 23 or even 33 of course, her age is not why people are upset.
Are you so racist that you think their above replacement TFR is a terrible outcome?
To the extent that the Arab world has an above replacement TFR, it's mostly thanks to shithole countries like Somalia and Sudan. Once they reach even moderate levels of development (e.g. Morocco, Tunisia, Saudi Arabia) they no longer have above replacement TFR.
No they turned out deadly because they went behind the families' backs.
This is like someone punching you in the face and saying you made them do it because you called them a mean name.
13 year old Juliet is a consenting adult to you? I guess I took you for more of a normie. Nevermind then.
She isn't, which is why she shouldn't have been allowed to marry and her family shouldn't have been plotting a marriage for her.
The "deadly" situation in the play is a mixture of tribal honor culture and child marriage which results in terrible outcomes everywhere it's tried (see e.g. the Arab world). It's a total nonsequitur to pretend that this is an argument against limiting marriage to consenting adults.
So no daughter after all?
Excellent example - Romeo and Juliet turned out deadly because of the meddling of the families. Two consenting adults getting married would be a non-issue if those honor culture goons hadn't been obsessed with their blood feud to the detriment of everything else.
Almost done with The Worm Ouroboros. I think it is quite good overall despite its shortcomings. It's an interesting counterpoint to Tolkien's world - there's no guarantee that good will ultimately triumph and it's up to the characters to actually change the course of events, although there's a light smattering of prophecy.
I think its weakest point is the poor characterization of the good guys. Juss, Spitfire, Brandoch Daha, Goldry Bluzsco - I can't really tell you anything that distinguishes one from the other. The illustrations in the book give them all the same face, like tetrarchs (is this the point?). Maybe one is a little more impatient and another a little less. The bad guys are actually quite well characterized:
- Corinius, the swaggering womanizer who backs down from a duel
- Corsus, the drunk, somewhat over the hump, who sends his daughter Sriva (wily, coquettish, scheming) to seduce the king to advance his career
- Corund, the honorable (to a fault) man who raised honorable sons (I admit I keep confusing him with Corsus due to their names)
- Prezmyra, Corund's wife, torn between her brother who sympathizes with the Demons and her husband who will never go against the king
- Gro, perhaps the most interesting character, also Tolkein's favorite, who constantly shifts allegiances and suggests killing the enemy through treachery at every turn, yet always manages to find a home
I guess it's a common trope that bad guys are harder to write than the good guys, but I think Tolkien managed this pretty well.
“But because day at her dawning hours hath so bewitched me, must I yet love her when glutted with triumph she settles to garish noon? Rather turn as now I turn to Demonland, in the sad sunset of her pride. And who dares call me turncoat, who do but follow now as I have followed this rare wisdom all my days: to love the sunrise and the sundown and the morning and the evening star? since there only abideth the soul of nobility, true love, and wonder, and the glory of hope and fear.”
[...]
It was now high noon. The horse and his rider were come to a little dell of green grass with a beck winding in the midst with cool water flowing over a bed of shingle. About the dell grew many trees both tall and straight. Above the trees high mountain crags a-bake in the sun showed ethereal through the shimmering heat. A murmur of waters, a hum of tiny wings flitting from flower to flower, the sound of the horse grazing on the lush pasture: there was nought else to hear. Not a leaf moved, not a bird. The hush of the summer noon-day, breathless, burnt through with the sun, more awful than any shape of night, paused above that lonely dell.
I actually don't, though.
So you think that parents should be allowed to prostitute their children?
You don't know anything about me.
So, do you have a daughter?
A romantic relationship involving two families is not sarker's business at all.
A romantic relationship involves two individuals, not families.
You've got it backwards. As long as you agree that there is at least one thing that we shouldn't allow parents to do, then the argument of "it's none of society's business what parents let their kids do" is bogus.
Also it's not without limits since the parents can only veto the relationship, not compel it.
There's plenty of things that we don't allow people to let their kids do.
Also what is even less convincing is that my daughter's genitals are your business at all. A pretty weird notion if you ask me.
Pal, you don't have a daughter. This whole post is about how you want to coom in underage pussy. Let's drop the "no, you're weird!" act.
Nybbler, come on. You know the Haredim do not till the earth. Food comes from the grocery store, as far as they are concerned.
I don't actually believe that parents should be able to do whatever they want with their children without limits, so this line of argument isn't convincing to me.
It's quite simple. There needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and 18 is as good a place as any.
Too much of an age gap and it ends up where the younger partner is more or less the caretaker for the older one while the younger partner is still near their prime.
Well sure, it's ill advised, but I hardly see why it's anyone else's business, unlike the 25/17 situation.
Social status, and the economic and political benefits, tend to be "sticky".
Stickiness and mobility are opposites - if status is sticky, then reversion to the mean is not a concern.
This isn't a problem with meritocracy, it's a problem with heirarchy, which meritocracy is supposed to streamline, but cannot entirely avoid.
Indeed, unless we RETVRN to hunting and gathering we need to have some kind of hierarchy for society to function (and even then...). Certainly meritocracy delivers results and I don't believe that it necessitates people having fewer kids (and in any case the present fertility decline is mostly driven by the marriage decline so I'm not sure that anxiety about children's status is even the important factor here).
I'm totally against 25/17 and the OP but this logic doesn't hold water either.
Are you against a 30 year old marrying a 50 year old? When the 50 year old was 30, the 30 year old was only 10! Nevertheless, it seems quite clear that a 30 year old can consent to marry a 50 year old.
The middle class fertility shredder is a natural consequence of social mobility.
Not quite. It is, at least in your model, a consequence of downward social mobility. As far as I can tell, few systems have totally eliminated the threat of downward mobility (except perhaps for a very small slice of the population, like the Tsar's family), so it's not clear to me why meritocracy is uniquely bad in this respect.
In fact, only about 20% of America voted for Donald Trump, and about 14% of France voted for Le Pen in 2017.
Most residents of a country do not vote.
Zero/negative marginal product.
Did you soak them before cooking or is that an hour and a half starting from dried beans?
Musk wants to cream skim the smartest people of the world so they come to America.
It just so happens that the same programs that enable that also enable migration of ZMP, or maybe even NMP, WITCH employees. Very few people seem to be interested in drawing a distinction between these groups for immigration purposes.
I don't see the simple present as less formal than the present continuous. They simply mean different things. I could believe that one is being eroded by ESL speakers not using it, but it's not a question of formality.
I’ve almost never encountered a true 3-language polyglot OPOL situation outside of like Switzerland, Luxembourg, or those African countries (and to some extent India) where speaking 3-4+ languages is semi-common.
There are plenty of families like this in the bay area.
you speak English together at dinner
This would indeed be a non-issue. However, it's not the approach usually taken.
I've only ever seen the "actively avoid speaking the other language in front of the child" kind when the children are toddler / pre-school age.
It's not about avoiding speaking the language in front of the kids. It's about avoiding speaking the language to the kids.
Happy to provide a counterexample. There's many such cases, this is simply the first result I found with kids older than 6.
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