sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
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sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
12d ago
These Islamic societies were not majority Islamic- Islam degrades HBD capital over the long term by encouraging cousin marriage. As a scientific racist I'd expect you to pay attention to that.
Doesn't pass the sniff test since the great men of the Islamic golden age were, as far as I know, all Muslims. Any hard evidence for this position?
sarker
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12d ago
This is useful reminder about people in the present as well.
sarker
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14d ago
You're thinking of "whole language".
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
14d ago
By claiming that standards matter i am effectively take taking a shit on the foundational beliefs of Steve Sailer, Friedliche DeBoer, and a number of users here including at least one moderator.
It's a little strange to read a polemic against X, Y, and Z without links to the writings of X, Y, and Z that we are supposed to think are wrong. Well, it's not that weird in general, but it's weird for this forum.
This post is a kind of anti-Bulverism where you wish that we assume you are right and fill in the argument (and the supporting evidence) post-hoc. Are you really shitting on the foundational beliefs of the above named? Would they be surprised to learn that "standards matter" is shitting on their foundational beliefs?
Also, the German name is "Friedrich".
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
15d ago
An extremely high one- do you know anything about pigs?
Your anecdote is not typical - most pigs are raised in factory farms where they, as far as I know, eat mostly corn and soy.
A friend of mine raises them at home and feeds the heads to his other pigs when he slaughters them. Feral hogs happily eat dead piglets.
Touché, but if the pigs are cannibals because people are feeding them pigs, I don't know if this reflects well on human honor either.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
15d ago
What percentage of pigs are cannibals today?
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
15d ago
You're getting it!
You don't need to write so much to show that 2rafa's argument is risible, though I appreciate the rigorous formalization. I'd like to think the ridiculousness is apparent from my much briefer comments.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
15d ago
But we've already established that humans eat humans. So the dishonor is already here.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
15d ago
Dishonorable animals are permissible for human consumption. If humans eat humans, then humans are dishonorable. Therefore, humans are permissible for human consumption.
A wolf doesn't care about 2rafa's notion of honorable species and will happily eat just about anything.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
15d ago
So is eating humans also OK, since humans have been known to engage in cannibalism?
In any case, you are missing the point that jdizzler brought up. Your arbitrary judgement of a species to be "dishonorable" doesn't justify breeding and raising tens of millions of them in horrible conditions.
sarker
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21d ago
It's not clear to me if that's their current net contribution (given the ages of immigrants today) or their lifetime net contributions.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
22d ago
I wish they had a cumulative version of that graph because it kind of seems to me that even Danes might just break even or be a loss over the course of a lifetime. Are they trying to make lose money on every citizen but make it up in volume?
sarker
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22d ago
These are all just facts about the way the world is--and the way the world has suddenly changed. Expressing concern about that is not plausibly "anti trans."
Of course it is. Can you imagine if suddenly everyone started dressing in blue and someone writes an article about how concerning it is that young women are dressing in blue en masse? The only people who would care would be those who were against blue.
Well, adult human females don't have penises, by definition.
Defining "woman" as "adult human female" is already the anti trans position, so by (it seems?) implicitly ascribing this definition to Rowling you are proving my point.
This seems relevant to Rowling's interest in protecting women, insofar as that language resulted, in some cases, in male rapists being put into female prisons, which does seem like a pretty terrible idea to me. Does it not seem like a terrible idea to you?
It does seem like a terrible idea to me. Did you just assume my gender my position on trans issues because I corrected you about Rowling's position on trans issues?
Aaaaand here we get to the motte of the argument. What, then, does "anti trans" mean "these days?" Why?
It's simple and there's no motte and no bailey and no ruse. Being anti trans is to not believe that trans men are men and trans men are women. This is because the entire trans project is to be treated by society as their target gender, so if you are against that, you are against the whole thing.
I am not aware of anyone laboring under another definition, least of all JK Rowling, who as far as I know, has never claimed to not be "anti trans", but I admit I haven't done a comprehensive survey here.
Imagine claiming that someone must be anti-Semitic because they do not subscribe to the metaphysical commitments of Judaism. This would clearly be absurd, an abuse of the term in furtherance of some tribal aim. The discourse on transsexuals and the transgendered today is often exactly this absurd, approaching dissent and disagreement with reductionism and ostracism of exactly the kind deployed against Rowling.
The difference is that we Jews don't demand that everyone else should subscribe to our metaphysics. Now, Christians do, and while they don't think that someone who doesn't believe in the trinity is anti-Christian, they do believe he is the next best thing.
sarker
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22d ago
Huge gazongas on a skinny frame aren't functional.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
22d ago
Rowling is very much not anti-trans. She's totally down with people dressing, speaking, and acting however they want, to a degree that no sex or gender conservative would ever approve.
That's not the point, right? She thinks it's a bad thing that young women are transitioning in larger numbers:
I’m concerned about the huge explosion in young women wishing to transition
She believes that women can't have penises. She believes trans kids don't exist. She's not anti trans in the sense that she doesn't think that they should be discriminated against, whatever that means, but that's not what anti trans means these days.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
23d ago
Israel has been doing all those things for months. The vast majority of structures in Gaza are destroyed or damaged.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
23d ago
Which effective measures are we talking about?
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
24d ago
Japan and Germany were centralized states. The centralization that made it coherent to talk about Japan or Germany surrendering was what allowed Japan to quash the holdouts, and that lack of coherence is what makes it difficult to imagine a Hamas instrument of surrender.
Has there ever been an insurgency quelled by immiserating the population? Successful counterinsurgency campaigns I can think of usually revolve around convincing the citizens that they are better off the supporting the state than the insurgents. A little hard to do that when the citizens blame the state for starving them.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
24d ago
Those both involved a huge amount of death and destruction and both of those nations ended up surrendering
My back of the envelope calculation suggests Gaza is somewhere between the relative death tolls of Japan and Germany. I doubt Hamas is going to surrender if you kick them harder in the balls.
I guess the end state there is an impromptu group of civilians form and say that they're tired of getting bombed and that they will become the government and carry on the policing of their radicals, including any Hamas remnants, so that terrorist attacks stop happening.
This is simply impossible given the Palestinian psychological makeup. I don't even think the Israelis are banking on this. Happy to place bets on this not happening.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
24d ago
You seriously exaggerate the ungovernability of India, your description fits Afghanistan better. Modi has a 75% approval rating. America is way more fractious.
In my opinion your hypothetical Raj would have to be significantly MORE brutal on the population than the current military operations conducted by Israel are to have any hope at success.
The key distinction is that a civilizing mission has an obvious aim that can guide decisionmaking. There is no obvious aim that drives Israeli decisionmaking right now except kicking the dog in the balls. It is entirely not obvious how this is supposed to lead to a long term solution.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
24d ago
I'm not sure if I'm missing something here. Has there ever been a method devised that starves everyone except for exclusively babies?
I admit I'm not an expert in siege tactics. However, one modest proposal might be to not order soldiers to fire on people trying to acquire food. That seems like the kind of thing that might cause starving babies on the margin.
From where I'm standing, that looks literally impossible.
I believe the three options I listed are exhaustive, so I'm curious if you think there is a fourth that I missed or if you think one of the other two that I thought was impossible is actually possible. Or perhaps you think they are all impossible?
Some dogs are just impossible and dangerous and they get put down, kind of a downer for this metaphor.
Indeed, but as the article suggests, there are people who have managed to train this particular dog.
You'd have to specify what that looks like instead of gesturing vaguely at it for me to take it seriously. How do you get from "kill all Jews which we hate with religious zealotry and take back the Holy Land which they stole from us 70 years ago" to "yeah 2 states are okay, I'm okay with giving up my important holy sites now"?
The Germans famously also wanted to kill (all?) Jews and now they perhaps kowtow excessively. Japan was raping Nanking and now they produce anime. It is possible for a foreign power to change culture, drastically.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
24d ago
Are you seriously suggesting that Israel is purposely targeting babies to starve?
I think the best case scenario here is that Israel is criminally negligent when it comes to avoiding starving babies. Certainly there are starving babies.
starvation has long been a legitimate tool to bring armies to their knees.
Agreed, but again, how is starving babies going to bring an army to its knees?
But that's not really what interests me. If you think starvation is a bad tactic for dealing with Hamas, that's totally fine, and I think I probably agree with you. I just wonder what tactics would be good for dealing with Hamas. What should Israel do?
There's only three options I see here. The first is to kill the Palestinians, which would be a horror that Israel would not recover from. The second is to move them, which is impossible because nobody is foolish enough to take millions of Palestinians.
When Kahane wasn’t condemning normie Zionists for having contempt for the Arabs, he liked to call them dogs. Not the most original metaphor, but vivid enough, so let’s run with it. Imagine a dog, not a Pitbull (that’s racist), but a Belgian Shepherd or similar. We observe one person who tries to reason with the dog, discusses with him the categorical imperative, and performs random unsolicited acts of kindness to appeal to its better nature. Another, swarthier person enters, perplexed at this cringe European, and pushes him to the side. He takes a good long look at the dog, walks over and kicks it square in the nuts, returning to high-five his friends. Rinse and repeat for three decades. Who is surprised that the dog is deranged?
What you do with a dog, obviously, is you train it. You don’t respond to its barks and snarls by getting down on all fours and barking back because ‘this is the yard’ and that’s what is done here. How do you train the dog? Well, go find someone who’s good at it, and ask him.
What does this look like? I don't know. But directionally, perhaps it's something like the British Raj. A civilizing mission is basically the only way to turn things around.
sarker
It isn't happening, and if it is, it's a bad thing
24d ago
I agree that simply killing every Palestinian would entail eliminating Hamas, but I am not convinced that killing, say, 10% of Palestinians will do that. I am especially doubtful that starving Palestinian babies will bring an army to its knees, on account of babies not being part of the army.
How do you get up to speed in a situation like this?
I often find myself, well, maybe not the stupidest, but far from the smartest in the room. I don't want to interrupt the smart people when they're going a mile a minute doing something important every time I lose the thread, but if I never ask questions I never get better at keeping the thread. What do?
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