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Just saw this bit of news:
https://religionnews.com/2025/05/12/episcopal-church-ends-refugee-resettlement-citing-moral-opposition-to-resettling-white-afrikaners/]https://religionnews.com/2025/05/12/episcopal-church-ends-refugee-resettlement-citing-moral-opposition-to-resettling-white-afrikaners/
with the title of "Episcopal Church refuses to resettle white Afrikaners, ends partnership with US government". Thinking that it was a case of sensationalizing the tittle to attract clicks to a more moderate news article I opened the page. Oh boy was I disappointed.
While the majority of the article was more as a moralizing plea for the resumption of resettlement programs, the beginning at least was what it said in the title. The episcopal church will end its partnership with the US government due to being asked to benefit white south africans.
Why are they doing that?, in their words, because they are pro racial justice:
Maybe the next step in the Trump Administrations should be to show that welfare programs benefit a majority of white people or something like that?
Link to the letter from the Church - https://www.episcopalchurch.org/publicaffairs/letter-from-presiding-bishop-sean-rowe-on-episcopal-migration-ministries/
Reading the letter, I'm struck by the notion that the way they talk about their operations is not so different than what an international corporation does. Bits like
Just substitute refugees by clients and then it makes sense why they are so gung ho about adding more bodies through this kind of partnerships. They win twice, once by getting money from the federal gevernment and once more with some of those resetled contributing to the church itself, be it through economic donations or voluntary work.
in reference to their winding down of their resettlement services makes me think Corpo. And it's logical if one thinks about it for a moment, but for some reason it never occurred to me that churches aren't that diferent from other NGO's.
Finally, this last bit is maybe the real reason why they are finishing their services and not just out right anti-white racism, but it is curious that it is buried in the body of the letter and the woke justification is front and center in the opening paragraphs. But one salient point against this theory of mine is that it looks like they are ending services due to the white Afrikaneers, not because the pause in the resetlement programs. This is further reinforced when the original news article mentions that
so it sounds to me, like these NGO's were hopping to lawfare their way into opening the money faucet at the through again, but at least for the Episcopal church dealing with whites with "preferential treatment" is too much.
I'm not surprised that this is couched in NGO language. I'm a little surprised they mention denying white South Africans resettlement on political grounds. I see three reasons:
Racial Justice. “In light of our church’s steadfast commitment to racial justice and reconciliation and our historic ties with the Anglican Church...” Which I guess is a hat tip to Desmond Tutu? At least that connection is made by AP reporting.
Other refugees exist that are/were more worthy of resettlement. Surely white South Africans could potentially be worthy of the same good deeds the church has afforded so many others?
The faucet was closed. The program is no longer feasible to run.
The last one seems like a winner. Were I the Episcopal church I would have protested the faucet being closed. I might even point at many other refugees in dire need of resettlement. I would have made those two statements after agreeing to resettle these people.
AP does report that another refugee agency will take the 49 South Africans:
This is a more appropriate protest response. I am curious about the the 49 South Africans. Hopefully somebody finds and interviews one.
They are protesting the faucet being closed, by doing the only thing that they can do to hurt this administration: talk about it, and refuse to provide services the admin actually wants.
The Episcopal ministry is doing a really good of looking incredibly racist, which helps the administration.
CWS's response strikes the right balance of protesting while not sounding like caricatures of racist progressives.
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