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Small-Scale Question Sunday for May 18, 2025

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Repeated official government positions nobody in the field believes about freon.

What's the red pill on Freon?

The ozone layer and global warming is not real/not threatened by Freon, but the US government acts on behalf of large chemical companies to ensure that there will never be a generic version of most refrigerants available by inventing excuses to ban them before the patent lapses. There’s some other stuff about the government intentionally underpaying informants tied in there based on evidence standards for environmental regulations(venting Freon requires video evidence from a licensed technician and not any other kind) and sometimes this ties into eccentric metaphysical/spiritual beliefs.

HVAC techs are probably the most conspiratorial/far right demographic in the country because of the recruiting population, so stuff like that is par for course.

Googling suggests that the refrigerant sold under the brandname "Freon" used to be a CFC and is now an HFC, and so is no longer ozone-destroying. So this looks like either the LLM, the techs, or both is confused by generic use of a brandname.

The claim is specifically that R-22 doesn't affect the environment and both the ozone hole and global warming are made up.

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