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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 9, 2025

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Or even consider a comment from your fellow programmer, @TheAntipopulist:

https://www.themotte.org/post/2154/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/333796?context=8#context

They're generating billions in revenue already -- it's not nearly enough to sustain their current burn rates, but there's lots of genuine value there. I'm a professional software engineer, and AI is extremely helpful for my job; anyone who says it isn't is probably just using it wrong (skill issue).

Notice how he didn't say that they're good at coding? He said that they're useful for his job.

LLMs are useful for SWEs, at least for some types some of the time. There is value here but they're poor programmers and to use them effectively you have to be relatively competent.

Its also very easy to fool yourself into thinking that they're much more valuable than they really are, likely due to how eloquently and verbosely they answer queries and requests.

I'd like to think I'm reasonably good at coding considering it's my job. However, it's somewhat hard to measure how effective a programmer or SWE is (Leetcode style questions are broadly known to be awful at this, yet it's what most interviewers ask for and judge candidates by).

Code is pretty easy to evaluate at a baseline. The biggest questions are "does it compile", and "does it give you the result you want" can be evaluated in like 10 seconds for most prompts, and that's like 90% of programming done right there. There's not a lot of room for BS'ing. There are of course other questions that take longer to answer, like "will this be prone to breaking due to weird edge cases", "is this reasonably performant", and "is this well documented". However, those have always been tougher questions to answer, even for things that are 100% done by professional devs.

@TheAntipopulist I'll let you speak for yourself instead of us reading the tea leaves.