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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 5, 2022

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A commonly articulated hunch - one that I share - is that the political liberal left at least paid lip service to these ideals as values in themselves up until roughly 2010. After the woke capture of many cultural and political institutions, these values were discarded.

I think you need to clarify what you think has happened. Are you saying that, in the past, only the left was concerned with those values, while the right rejected them? The latter part of that claim has merit, given that for decades mainstream "law and order" conservatives have denigrated procedural protections for criminal defendants as "technicalities." (And of course many pro-Trump conservatives were upset that many election lawsuits were rejected on procedural or procedural-adjacent grounds [though laches is in large part a substantive defense, rather than a purely procedural one]. But then the pro-Trump wing probably does not represent traditional conservatives, and I don't know what traditional conservatives said about those lawsuits). OTOH, the far left has never been pro-due process; what is "the end justifies the means" if not a rejection of the value of procedure? Given that 'the woke" are the far left, then it does not seem that much has changed.

Overall, I am very skeptical that there are have ever been many people who value procedural protections per se, just as there have never been many few people who value free speech for their enemies.

Complaining about standing is not the same as complaining about neutral rules.

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