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Culture War Roundup for the week of July 7, 2025

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If you want to understand the position of HBD enjoys better, you are perfectly allowed to lay out your current understanding of the HBD viewpoint and then ask about the parts that you think don't make sense.

Instead you post: Acktually, if HBDers really believed what they say, they "would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race."

I disagree with you guys and don't identify as part of your political tribe.

Who is "you guys" and who is "your political tribe???"

Instead you post: Acktually, if HBDers really believed what they say, they "would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race." Therefore all HBD enjoyers must be nazi white supremacists.

What I actually said was:

whites, who all the statistics show have higher incomes, higher IQs, higher educational attainment, and lower unemployment

Maybe the problem here is you reading things that aren't there, not my writing.

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In my experience, when I believe I have been misinterpreted, it is much more conducive to understanding to rephrase my claim to attempt to address the misunderstanding than just to direct others to reread.

While the fault may be theirs, it may also not be, and even if one is sure it's on them, grace and magnanimity (in extending others a hand even if you think they don't deserve it) goes a long way.

What you actually said:

This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories. Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans.

You're quoting me out of context to make it seem like I'm saying the opposite of what I'm actually saying:

This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories. Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans. They see whites like people have long seen the American Indians, a "noble" race who ought to "own" the country but who are ill-equipped to deal with the evils of modernity that more advanced peoples have introduced like liquor or fentanyl.[1] But where this worldview makes some sense in the case of the Indians, it is utterly nonsensical to apply it to whites

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You are comparing some subset of Guatemalans to some subset of US Whites. Also you conveniently forgot to mention that Guatemalans might come to US by foot only because OTHER US Whites, not rust belt whites, are helping them to do so.

Also you conveniently forgot to mention that Guatemalans might come to US by foot only because OTHER US Whites, not rust belt whites, are helping them to do so.

How so?

Interestingly, if you want to seach on how migrants are helped to travel to US border, use something different from Google, which avoids showing you these results. Yandex definitely doesn't have a leg in US culture war so it's fair here.

There are organizations helping them with food, shelter. maps etc., some of these organizations partially or fully funded by tax money.

I don't think the extra context actually does change the meaning at all. I'll apply some simplification to distill the meaning of the full paragraph:

This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories.

Summary: The "narrative" (as you put it) conflicts with HBD because...

Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. Guatemalans in their "third-world s***hole" don't just sit around despairing, they cross multiple borders and look for work in a country where they can't even speak the language, while white men who got laid off in their rust-belt factory towns twiddle their thumbs and inject fentanyl, unable to compete with said Guatemalans.

Summary: HBD would require you to see whites as an inferior race...

They see whites like people have long seen the American Indians, a "noble" race who ought to "own" the country but who are ill-equipped to deal with the evils of modernity that more advanced peoples have introduced like liquor or fentanyl.[1]

Summary: They (here now referring to believers in your "narrative" rather than believers in HBD) see whites as a weaker and nobler race, much like the Noble Savage myth portrays American Indians...

But where this worldview makes some sense in the case of the Indians, it is utterly nonsensical to apply it to whites

Summary: But American whites aren't American Indians so the comparison is weak (then why did you make it?)

It seems clear to me that this is actually two statements without much connection between them.

Statement 1: If you take HBD seriously then you should see whites as an inferior race.

Statement 2: "Narrative" believers see American whites like Noble Savage-fans see American Indians.

To be clear, I never thought you were claiming that white people are racially inferior to Guatemalans. You say so in the very first sentence of the quoted section - this is what you believe to be the logical conclusion of HBD, not what you believe yourself. The context is there.

Everyone has understood this from the beginning, including the person you responded to. We know what you meant, and what you meant is precisely what we're objecting to.

What did you mean when you said "This worldview would seem to conflict with HBD theories. Indeed, one would have to conclude that whites are an inferior race. "

Who would have to conclude that? Under what suppositions?

Maybe the problem here is you reading things that aren't there, not my writing.

Don't insult my intelligence. I know exactly what you're trying to insinuate. You're quite straightforwardly saying "If you assume X, then Y is a logical conclusion. Since X-supporters don't believe in Y, they must be either idiots or are lying." Of course you're wrong about that, but that's besides the point because you just go "tee hee that's not what I meant XP" instead of defending your position.

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