This weekly roundup thread is intended for all culture war posts. 'Culture war' is vaguely defined, but it basically means controversial issues that fall along set tribal lines. Arguments over culture war issues generate a lot of heat and little light, and few deeply entrenched people ever change their minds. This thread is for voicing opinions and analyzing the state of the discussion while trying to optimize for light over heat.
Optimistically, we think that engaging with people you disagree with is worth your time, and so is being nice! Pessimistically, there are many dynamics that can lead discussions on Culture War topics to become unproductive. There's a human tendency to divide along tribal lines, praising your ingroup and vilifying your outgroup - and if you think you find it easy to criticize your ingroup, then it may be that your outgroup is not who you think it is. Extremists with opposing positions can feed off each other, highlighting each other's worst points to justify their own angry rhetoric, which becomes in turn a new example of bad behavior for the other side to highlight.
We would like to avoid these negative dynamics. Accordingly, we ask that you do not use this thread for waging the Culture War. Examples of waging the Culture War:
-
Shaming.
-
Attempting to 'build consensus' or enforce ideological conformity.
-
Making sweeping generalizations to vilify a group you dislike.
-
Recruiting for a cause.
-
Posting links that could be summarized as 'Boo outgroup!' Basically, if your content is 'Can you believe what Those People did this week?' then you should either refrain from posting, or do some very patient work to contextualize and/or steel-man the relevant viewpoint.
In general, you should argue to understand, not to win. This thread is not territory to be claimed by one group or another; indeed, the aim is to have many different viewpoints represented here. Thus, we also ask that you follow some guidelines:
-
Speak plainly. Avoid sarcasm and mockery. When disagreeing with someone, state your objections explicitly.
-
Be as precise and charitable as you can. Don't paraphrase unflatteringly.
-
Don't imply that someone said something they did not say, even if you think it follows from what they said.
-
Write like everyone is reading and you want them to be included in the discussion.
On an ad hoc basis, the mods will try to compile a list of the best posts/comments from the previous week, posted in Quality Contribution threads and archived at /r/TheThread. You may nominate a comment for this list by clicking on 'report' at the bottom of the post and typing 'Actually a quality contribution' as the report reason.
Jump in the discussion.
No email address required.
Notes -
For men employed full time, median earnings are at about $68K, so yes. He also says you have to have 15 percent body fat, your own apartment with no roommates, and be highly intelligent and socially skillful. It's not quite 6-6-6, but it seems designed not to provide useful advice but to discourage. Not really surprising.
Ehh, I dunno.
First of all, to be fair, he didn’t say you need 15% BFP; he said you need sub-20% and 15% is ideal. This is eminently achievable for most men, especially if you have access to amphetamines or GLP-1 agonists (or both).
The other requirements (income threshold, solo living situation, social skills) are also fairly easily within reach for basically any 110+ IQ man in his 20s or 30s with 50th %ile+ conscientiousness who lives in a mid-size or larger metro area.
Yes, I am aware that the median man is, almost by definition, practically incapable of meeting this bar, and I agree with OP’s sentiment that the bar has gotten higher and the responsibility for meeting it has devolved further to atomized individual men acting on their own. But the bar is definitely way lower than 6-6-6, and (unlike height or penis length) the traits mentioned in this post can realistically be improved through deliberate effort. So I don’t see this post as discouraging, certainly not to the extent of, say, what goes on in /r/BlackPillScience
More options
Context Copy link
More options
Context Copy link