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Where / which Costco in Sacramento?
I grew up in Sacramento, the unincorporated areas of Sacramento County.
Sacramento has frequently seen demographic change, and there were often 'ethnic' neighboords or areas. I've of photo of my grandmother's nearly all white graduating class (1939) from C.K. McClatchy High School. Even the suburbs (built in the early 1950's) my grandparents lived in have seen substantial changes. It had been tree lined and owner occupied, now mostly rentals and all the Modesto Ash were cut down.
I had been away for ~15 years before going back for the first time in 2015. I made another trip in 2016.
The people and places I miss aren't there anymore.
May have technically been Elk Grove.
Elk Grove has certainly seen demographic change.
Yes! But I wanted to double-check for you and it was this one. 7981 E Stockton Blvd, Sacramento, CA 95823
That wasn't a great area when I was young. The Florin mall was always a bit iffy. That Costco is 2.6 miles from where this happened in 1991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Sacramento_hostage_crisis
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