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How much more suspicious activity and lucky coincidences would there need to be to convince you (if you're a current denier) that Epstein was murdered/"allowed" to kill himself?
Because from what I see there's a lot of weird things already. The cameras for in front of his cell are down, guards apparently failed to check in on him (apparently both of them fell asleep despite this being their job), his roommate he's supposed to have for suicide watch is moved out earlier that day without replacement, and two staff members get accused of falsifying records only for the charges to get dropped silently two years after over new years.
Now the one camera that was working has footage released from it only for it to be likely edited video that doesn't even provide a meaningful perspective even if it wasn't edited (so why is it changed and had parts removed? Was something incidentally caught on one of the cameras they didn't shut down?) and a full minute missing along with the other smaller possible cuts, a cut that was completely unmentioned in the inspector general's report but suddenly shows up now. With an excuse that the "missing minute" is a standard reset and the recordings aren't operating at that time yet it now appears to exist according to government leakers.
That same day Epstein was also allowed to make an unmonitored call on a line intended for attorneys only to a non-attorney, with the regional director saying "We don't know what happened on that phone. It could have potentially lead to the incident, but we don't - we will never know" which is another oddity. He claimed he was calling his mother ... his mother has been dead almost two decades before then.
Then afterwards, Epstein's own lawyers contested the official finding and hired their own pathologist who said the injuries were more indicative of homicide by strangulation than normal self hanging.
Then of course we have things like Epstein's sweetheart deal maker Alex Acosta being a literal high level member of the government stepping down only a month before the suicide. Was he distancing himself? Cause that's a mighty odd coincidence too to leave right around that time.
And we get told all sorts of things about having files ready for release, only for them to apparently not actually exist like all the files sitting on Pam Bondi's desk. We have leaks of multiple high level politicians (including the current president refusing to release the records who also resigned over the federal government when Epstein died and hired Acosta earlier) with close connections to him. We have intelligence operatives and high level officials trying hard both directly and indirectly as anonymous sources to deny accusations he was working for them which many powerful people are trying to tout as evidence. Which fair, I expect them to deny if it's not true. But also I expect them to lie if it is true.
Like oh really spy agencies, half your job is to be skilled liars and we're just supposed to take your word for it. People can't be this lacking in self-awareness right? So why do so many of the powerful people with connections to Epstein apparently lack this understanding and think it's compelling counter evidence by itself?
Like obviously none of these things in their own are proof by themselves. If they were, we wouldn't be having a discussion like this we would just say "look at the 100% proof it happened". But a lot of truthful things don't have 100% proof. I'm pretty sure OJ Simpson is a murderer despite not having seen it myself and him being found not guilty. I'm pretty sure Casey Anthony killed her daughter. There's a really strong likelihood Micheal Jackson molested some children. Carole Baskin (although a bit weaker of a suspicion) might have been involved in the disappearance of her husband. None of these have hard conclusive evidence, yet none of these are odd to believe.
And just like those examples, there's a whole lot of weird oddities and coincidences and suspicious behavior around Epstein, his death, and the information on him and his connections that it seems pretty reasonable to suspect his supposed suicide wasn't entirely legit. Outside of 100% proof, how much more would be needed before it stops being "just a conspiracy theory"?
I am a person who tends to resist conspiracy theories - could be described as other in this thread have said as a "nothing-ever-happens" guy. So I'll just go through some of your points and talk about why they don't seem dispositive of much to me.
With respect to the guards, very easy for me to chalk this up to an American prison system that doesn't really care about the well-being of its inmates and is content to hire low-paid grunts to perform thankless security work.
As for the cameras being down, I'm not aware of how extensive that problem was. Were only the cameras in front of his cell down? Was there a more systematic issue throughout the prison? Had this been happening for months, or were the cameras fine until the night of his death? I'm not sure I've seen people come with data about these questions. So I don't have much to do with the cameras being down absent that further context.
It's suspicious for sure. But I guess I find some kind of nightly reset that happens at 11:59 every night plausible. Of course if that is well known, it's also the perfect time to do something nefarious - but the video also isn't even an angle that is very relevant to Epstein's cell and I believe I've read that there were hallways into Epstein's cell that wouldn't require going through this camera angle, so why would it matter anyway.
Epstein claiming he's calling his dead mother sounds like the behavior of somebody going through severe mental anguish that might ultimately lead them to suicide. What would be the reason he claimed he called his mother in the scenario where he had no plans to kill himself? It's some kind of coded signal that means "I'm perfectly well and have no plans hang myself?" Why not just say that directly?
Lawyers gonna lawyer. They can always find an expert witness to defend their side of the case. I don't know how the legal payments work, but could they just be extracting more money from the Epstein estate for as long as they are able to? With respect to the actual facts, I have no idea whether they are more likely to indicate homicide or strangulation.
A little sus, but the essence of what happened here is that a Republican US District Attorney for South Florida was elevated to a cabinet level position by a Republican politician from South Florida.
This doesn't make any sense to me. If he was going to distance himself, why not leave the administration well before Epstein was even arrested again. And it's not a coincidence he left around that time - he left directly because of Epstein's arrest and the public's subsequent heightened awareness of the 2008 sweetheart deal he made.
Very easy for me to chalk this up to Bondi being a populist buffoon who had been either convinced that there definitely was a there there and was confident she would find something, or she might have just wanted to sound really confident and cool on her Fox News hit. I watched that live while at the gym and that's what I thought at the time; it did not give me any impression that files with any new substance would actually be released. She just fucked up because she wanted to deliver something to the part of Trump's base that really cares about this.
The connections to Mossad through Maxwell are somewhat odd. But he seemed to very publicly have these connections, right? His friendship with Maxwell seems to have been no secret, nor are Maxwell's father's connections to Mossad. I'm not claiming anybody that interacted with them knew of these connections (though they probably could have if they were powerful people and did any bit of research on the people they were going to engage in sketchy behavior with), only claiming that Epstein would not exactly be the most subtle Mossad agent of all time. The connections were there in plain sight for anybody with interest to do so to discover.
I don't know how to answer this question. Definitely video footage of people strangling Epstein would convince me. Anybody (prison guards, Alex Acosta) going on record claiming knowledge or evidence of the conspiracy. But it is tough to know exactly would tip the scales short of those things.
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