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Yes, progressives are retarded about crime(and likely many other issues). This does not mean you can't tell them to pound sand without reintroducing Jim Crow, which we know because Michael Bloomberg did that.
That's the entire point of my post.
Micheal Bloomberg demonstrates that you cannot allow progs any power or voice because they actually hate good governance because it's good governance.
Here's the cycle:
Traditional methods controlled crime pretty well
Progs wanted to undermine traditional methods and had a broad spectrum attack on them - legal about "rights" mainly (case clearance rates drop precipitously after the Warren court inventions)
As a way to head off a reaction to their attack, they create nonsense social science where they claim that crime cannot be solved without addressing "root causes" - the root causes being lack of programs. You see echos of this with the modern "trained deescalation personnel instead of police"
Progs win, crime skyrockets throughout the 60s and 70s, plateaus in the 80s and jumps in the 90s
Over time progs come to believe their own lies about "root causes" - that's what they're taught in universities and what trickles down from there
Giuliani / Bratton introduce the idea of addressing crime by addressing crime - Giuliani won in NYC due to support from more blue collar whites and progressives didn't go full out against him because they knew addressing crime by addressing crime couldn't work - it didn't solve the "root causes"
It did work, gets copied in lots of places - progressives are horrified by the decline in crime and pretend that concern over racial injustice is the reason they object to doing things that actually do lower crime - these objections escalate over time
Bloomberg is able to hold out against these objections because he's more entrenched but progressives elect the next mayor who basically undoes it all
Ultimately the problem is that their objection to enforcing the law isn't based on anything that they say it is - the racial unfairness angle falls apart under inspection - their objection is to anything effective. That's the only way to make sense of their behavior because every single thing done was done still under the framework they set out as being within the rules. No executions, no speedy trials, no executive authority vested in cops, no approval of men defending themselves, etc. - just very PMC style "dispatch the cops who follow proper procedure and protocols that follow every explicit progressive rule". There are no crime control measures that are effective that they will support and if they support it and it turns out to be effective, they'll withdraw support when it's shown to be effective.
You were already warned to tone down the boo-outgroup vitriol, so you wrote an entire post about how "my enemies are all liars who don't believe anything they say they believe in, and actually hate everything good and love crime."
It doesn't matter whether you actually believe this to be true: you are allowed to make arguments about why the things your outgroup does are bad, and you are allowed to point out specific instances of (what you perceive as) dishonesty or hypocrisy. You are not allowed to just make broad statements about entire groups like this.
Your posts have been pretty uniformly bad and it seems you're just here to wage culture war. I'm giving you a three-day timeout to decide whether you're going to accommodate yourself to the rules here, or proceed directly to the rage-flameout.
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I’m going to ignore your claim that low crime is the thing progressives are objecting to, in itself, rather than them just being stupid. Instead I’ll note that the correct response to ‘progressives are opposed to anything that works at crime control’ is to tell progressives to go jump in a lake, not to bring back Jim Crow. And if your argument was ‘we need a national reorganization process to shut down progressives ruining society’, my response would be ‘let the rotors start’. But that doesn’t seem to be your argument, your argument is we need to bring back Jim Crow. Which is indirectly connected, sure, but it doesn’t, in itself, actually do anything about the crime problem.
Seeing as how that's the crux of the argument then there's not much productive discussion that's going to happen here. Progressives really object to "Jim Crow" not because "it's an offense that cries to heaven for redress" but because it worked to make a racially mixed society livable - that's the part progressives object to. You can't claim that certain people being second class citizens due to their ancestry / species / race is the greatest crime in the universe is your guiding moral principle because that is what we have now with zero objection from progressives except to point out that blacks aren't venerated enough. The alternatives are Jim Crow or something functionally like it - apartheid, Rhodesia's laws, Singapore / Dubai / Qatar style treatment of guest workers, etc. or race communism then it's a super easy choice to pick the former (unsurprisingly enough progressives hate all of those adaptations - anything that doesn't result in massive crime and a one-sided race war offends progressives). Progressives pick the latter because they like the outcome.
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