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Culture War Roundup for the week of August 11, 2025

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So far, every investigation that I have seen has resulted in one of two root causes:

  1. Operator pulled trigger
  2. Foreign object in trigger guard.

At this point, I can't rule out a mechanical problem causing uncommanded discharges, or if it's a bad design that encouraged operator error.

From what I've seen, think it's far more likely that the very wide trigger shoe and skinny trigger guard are making NDs too easy.

I linked you the FBI tests last week, which you dismissed as having "modified" the gun. I'm sure SIG USA is worthy of your dedication and continued support.

Did they or did they not modify the gun for testing?

Don't whine about "dismissed." Either debate the point or accept it.

I will continue to support Sig as much as I view appropriate. I certainly will push back on illogical fearmongering from haters with motivated reasoning jumping on the bandwagon of the moment.

For the purposes of certain tests, the subject gun sent to the FBI sometimes had certain parts replaced with modified spare parts, in order to do things like be able to film the inside of the gun while it was being fired, or stress-test a particular part.

Specifically for the test involving the secondary safety, a modified sear was used to remove the primary safety. None of these modifications were done to original parts of the specific gun, and all were replicated on a brand-new SIG 320 from the FBI armory.

Yes, and subsequently the FBI conducted further testing with zero failures. Supposedly, anyway.

https://www.vnews.com/-62945995

Yes, SIG would like very much if people all said the 320 was fine. That's what your link says. It's just rewritten SIG ad copy, as is obvious from the very first sentence:

New Hampshire gun-maker Sig Sauer is asking two federal agencies — the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security — to vouch for its embattled P320 pistol.

The entreaty comes as part of a lengthy statement Sig Sauer released July 29 as it continues to push back against allegations — some in the form of lawsuits — that the P320 is unsafe.

I linked you the FBI tests last week, which you dismissed as having "modified" the gun

Let's revisit that. I specifically asked you if that was the investigation where they had to cut the slide. You did not respond.

@FtSoA did make that statement, but I am not him. Please do not put words in my mouth; it's disrespectful and lowers the quality of the discourse.

However, since you can't seem to tell us apart, I'm going to quote him from another comment that you ignored.

The problem with the first issue is that the window the FBI cut into the slide (in order to examine the striker safety spring under recoil) is part of what retains the spring. By removing that material, the spring was able to move.

Shall we keep "modified" in scare quotes, or can we accept that the word is appropriate here?

I'm m sure SIG USA is worthy of your dedication and continued support.

That's unnecessary, man. Who pissed in your Cheerios today?

I saw no mention of any cutting of the slide in the FBI report, any the modifications were done to spare parts and the process confirmed by putting those parts in a new gun as well.

So since we last spoke, i stumbled across this video which has only reinforced my suspicions that SIG knows they have a serious engineering defect. TL;DW- despite having nominally the same fire control group as the P320, the P365 incorporates a number of changes clearly intended at providing additional layers of safey against accidental discharge, which is why it hasn't been indicted in this whole cluster foxtrot.

As it stands now, while i am happy with my P365, there is no way in hell i would buy or even shoot a P320.

What's your theory here? Broken sear and broken striker safety spring at the same time? That's mechanically plausible.