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But there are key differences between the injection and an infection.
If I get infected, I'm getting a few particles as part of a spray.
Where do these particles come from? Well they were built by a virus infecting another person, so if that virus contained RNA sequences that turned the host cell cancerous and unable to produce more viruses, it probably would not be able to produce more particles to infect me.
What is the dose I get? Probably something proportional to the amount of air I'm able to breathe.
If I'm a large guy, I'm probably inhaling a lot of air all at once, so more of these particles.
If I'm more pocket-sized, I would guess that I'm not inhaling as much of the virus at once.
I don't know how many of them there are, but they are diluted among other stuff in the particle itself, in the air, into my mucosa, my mucus. Right there and then my immune system starts taking charge of some of them.
My nose, my mouth, my mucosa were created by God to expect such aggression.
It's business as usual.
Then some of these particles manage to actually infect cells and the virus manages to replicate itself yadda yadda.
All in my nose, in my mucosa, maybe slightly deeper in my lungs, idk the details of covid infection.
If I get injected, I get a certain amount of liquid (few ml) at a certain rather uniform concentration all in the same spot. Not a spray.
What is the dose I get? The dose that Pfizer/Moderna decided to put in the bottle.
Supposedly the same dose for everybody. So presumably a dose containing enough material to 'work' for people that are 300 lbs or over.
This is all going straight into the fat of my arm, or if the remaining medical staff that fell for the psy-op and didn't quit due to vaccine mandates messed up, straight into my blood.
The material is coming from a factory, where products are sometimes defective, processes can go wrong, quality controls can be overlooked, concentrations can vary, effectiveness, quality, purity of the material might be compromised.
That is if the owners of the factory are not purposefully committed to making poison.
Was the fat of my arm or my blood stream made by God to receive a dose of RNA? No.
Is this expected by my immune system? No.
We are talking about different tissues, different cell types. Different doses. Chemically different substances. Different modes of administration.
The virus never came out and say that cutting boys' peepees will turn them female, unlike all the doctors pushing the vaccine.
Some people have even called the virus racist, it's hard not to sympathize.
no, cells in your body are hijacked to produce endless copies of virus
if you are infected it is not going to be "few particles"
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Try "lungs, upper respiratory tract, heart, brain, liver, intestines, kidneys, gonads, adrenals, really anything that expresses ACE2".
Is this what it is? A naturalistic fallacy justified by religion?
In any case, the body is in fact pretty equipped to deal with weird rogue RNA, so much so that an mRNA vaccine would need to be made to be less detectable to the immune system so it can work! So you're even right on this point, even if only by complete chance!
And in any case, you can probably just opt to take a non-Pfizer/Moderna vaccine? There is Novavax, after all. You'd want to steer clear of J&J and Astrazeneca as well, since those are vector vaccines.
My argument is that Covid infection and the injections are singularly different things, if the material is genetically-modified, because all kind of things can happen during the production of the genetic material.
When I'll be 60 I'll start considering vaccines for things like the flu or covid. Or maybe not.
God gave us beautiful bodies with a immune system, no need for genetically-modified constructs to deal with a glorified cold.
If I were at substantial risk of dying and leaving orphans, I'd consider possibly taking the risk of buying what the merchants are selling.
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