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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 9, 2023

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I just find it odd that 'nationalists' would run from the Russian Empire to immediately jump into the Western EU Empire.

This is indeed a curious limitation. Why are you unable to understand why people might want to run from an empire that has, is, and signals a clear intent to continue brutalizing a people, to an association that does not?

Between the two immigration policies, the one that doesn't have the migrants bringing in heavy artillery and conducting war crimes would indeed seem to be the preferable immigration policy.

voluntary association

Haha yes 'voluntary'. We just choose to go along the propaganda. How lucky we are to suddenly have a desire for transgenders and gay marriage and open borders!

If you have a desire for transgenders, gay marriage, and open borders, that's on you and your electorate, but that really has nothing to do with voluntary association of a nation to voluntarilly associate without a threat of war for not doing so.

Well, I suppose other than the 'will be invaded by Russian' context, but this isn't an ultimatum extended by Europe, and so any dismissal of the voluntary nature leaves the blame with Russia, not the Europeans.

migrants (who have not, to date, prioritized going to the poorer eastern countries over richer parts of Europe)

It's inevitable. These Ukrainians are apparently attempting to become wealthier. With wealth comes migrants.

Clearly not, or else migrants would be going to the wealth in Africa, which is the highest it's ever been in human history, and not to wealthier countries elsewhere. This distinction in grades of wealth is itself held within the European Union, where Ukraine would not be the wealthiest, and thus not in the area where migration flows would be intending to go.

Not clear why you're unable to understand why people might have different levels of care about the importance of migraiton policy over threat of invasion, though. That still seems weird.

Unless by this statement, the brave Ukrainian soldier means that he wants to be like Poland and refuse to take in the refugees that the EU asked them to:

'everyone has the right to exist and live in our country.'

Seems like you've solved your racial objection.

If your objection with association with a less brutal neighbor is refugee policy, and have identified a European model that does not entail having to take in refugees, you have just resolved your own objection.

Why are you unable to understand why people might want to run from an empire that has, is, and signals a clear intent to continue brutalizing a people, to an association that does not?

It would have remained a mostly peaceful special operation if the US and EU had not meddled like they did in so many other countries in the last few decades.

Clearly not, or else migrants would be going to the wealth in Africa, which is the highest it's ever been in human history, and not to wealthier countries elsewhere. This distinction in grades of wealth is itself held within the European Union, where Ukraine would not be the wealthiest, and thus not in the area where migration flows would be intending to go.

Yet the EU intended to distribute them to Hungary and Poland.

Plus at some point being overrun by migrants will have an impact on the Western economies.

The migrants are not leaving Africa to settle in a colder Africa.

and have identified a European model that does not entail having to take in refugees, you have just resolved your own objection.

There is not.

Hungary is getting punished for its immigration policies, by getting cut off from EU gibs.

Similarly, Poland will get punished, or its American and EU 'allies' will see that they elect a government worthy of investing so much NATO money in, ie a government that celebrates gays and Africans.

And if people like Sgt. Makhno are in charge of future Ukraine, it seems that they will welcome everyone.

Ukraine will be very gay and very African or it will not be.

It would have remained a mostly peaceful special operation if the US and EU had not meddled like they did in so many other countries in the last few decades.

Even setting aside the factual inaccuracies, this doesn't explain your own inability to understand other people's viewpoint or priorities.

Clearly not, or else migrants would be going to the wealth in Africa, which is the highest it's ever been in human history, and not to wealthier countries elsewhere. This distinction in grades of wealth is itself held within the European Union, where Ukraine would not be the wealthiest, and thus not in the area where migration flows would be intending to go.

Yet the EU intended to distribute them to Hungary and Poland.

Ah! So you're not arguing the immigrants are going to Hungary and Poland because they're wealthy places now, I see. Will you update your prior argument accordingly?

Plus at some point being overrun by migrants will have an impact on the Western economies.

This does not explain your inability to understand why other people may not care about this as much as a quite violent invasion.

There is not.

Then why did you raise Poland as an example?

Ah! So you're not arguing the immigrants are going to Hungary and Poland because they're wealthy places now, I see. Will you update your prior argument accordingly?

Migrants are going to the EU because there is wealth there, and it's probably easy for migrants to take some of that wealth compared to other wealthy African countries where they have actual border and law enforcement and little welfare.

The EU has laws to force member countries to welcome these migrants even if the member countries don't want them.

This does not explain your inability to understand why other people may not care about this as much as a quite violent invasion.

I call it a mostly peaceful special operation. There would be way less violence if Ukraine had implemented gun control, disbanded their law enforcement and just let the Russians burn down their neighborhoods, like NATO likes to do at home.

Then why did you raise Poland as an example?

Poland is an example of a country that is ardently anti-Russia and seeks support from NATO and EU, like Ukraine.

However, they do not follow Sgt. Makhno's idea that 'everyone has the right to exist and live in our country.'

And they are getting punished for it by the EU.

Poland would love to have authoritarian immigration controls but they have chosen to bind themselves to globohomo EU/NATO.

Apparently, Sgt. Makhno loves the idea of a globohomo Ukraine where everybody is welcome, but then, why does he even care about Ukraine as a country?

The heads of EU and NATO hate traditional Ukrainian culture and want it erased with the rest of Western historical culture, so what is he fighting for?

Why not just flee to Poland or Germany, UK or USA?

It would have remained a mostly peaceful special operation if the US and EU had not meddled like they did in so many other countries in the last few decades.

No, more probable that it would have been an even bloodier affair, possibly even bloodier, and the fight would be in the urban areas of Zaporizhzhia, Mykolaiv and Kharkiv. With the same consequences as the siege of Mariupol.

Ukraine will be very gay and very African or it will not be.

What's your obsession with Africans? It's fine to tell, I won't kink-shame.

There is not.

Lithuania, Estonia and Denmark are probably getting punished as well?

Africa is a big continent with the youngest, biggest, poorest population, and it's right across from Europe.

That's why most of the migrants to Europe are Africans.

Lithuania, Estonia and Denmark are probably getting punished as well?

That's correct. They are bound by EU laws to welcome migrants.

EU/Lithuania: In milestone judgement, EU Court slams automatic detention and denial of asylum

Danish refugee law draws criticism from UN, EU

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