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Culture War Roundup for the week of September 8, 2025

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Then how did Muslims conquere the UK?

Ok, maybe I advanced past the sell there. But hang with me.

This whole post is basically defeatism. Declaring as psychologically, culturally and metaphysically impossible any sort of return to tradition. "Liberalism" has destroyed the old ways so thoroughly and completely, and habituated everyone against them so innately, that even attempting to go back is just LARPing.

Then how do you explain Islam in Europe? How were they not just swallowed up by the overculture of liberalism they migrated into? How did they not end up as islands of backwards LARPers constantly getting worn away by the relentless tide of liberalism against their shores?

Go back further, how did Islam reclaim the entire region? How did it turn Lebenon, "Paris of the Middle East", a model of a secular liberal society in the heart of the Middle East, back into an Islamic stronghold, with it's own Islamic paramilitary?

There are examples near and far that this model of "Liberal Supremacy", where no other sincere modes of thought are even possible in the face of the overwhelming dominance of liberalism are clearly shown to be false everywhere you look around the globe. I begin to suspect this whole line of thought is just another demoralization psyop.

They have by no means conquered the UK, as evidenced by the healthy and explosive pushback that has occurred recently. Besides that, they have been "liberalized" in a way. They smoke, they drink, and they fuck before marriage. They steal, rob and rape. They present as ultra-conservatives, and then engage in the most degenerate shit. Effectively, they've been converted into the homogenous globalized underclass, which Liberalism creates. Their present dysfunction is proof of Liberalism's power.

Lebanon's Islamisation occurred due to an influx of Palestinian refugee's, sectarian infighting, and a much larger state sponsoring said Islamic paramilitary. And besides, Lebanon was by no means a secular Liberal Society. The Lebanese Christian, Suni, and Shia, themselves, not the Sunni Palestinians, engaged in all manner of war crimes; these groups did not believe in Liberalism as you understand it. In the Middle East, ethnic and religious conflict is usually solved by appeals to overriding authoritarian nationalism, not by principled Liberalism. When that authoritarian nationalism falls apart, as in Lebanon, Iraq and Syria, then sectarian conflict occurs.

Hezbollah was not a genuine Lebanese reaction towards Liberalism. It was a foreign paramilitary force, funded, armed and supported by Syria and Iran, that took advantage of the Lebanese state's weakness; it was never indigenous to Lebanon, or had a broad base of support. In fact, due to Israel's war, they've been neutered as an effective force in Lebanon, so ironically, they are an example of Liberalism (or whatever the fuck Israel is) triumphing over Islam.

Part of it seems to be an insane blindspot amidst the Left with underdog fetishism where it's gauche to consider what the current underdogs actually believe and how they'd hypothetically behave if handed the reins of power.

Maybe it's follow-on from the 'Left social values are simply correct and will naturally win over the foreigners if given a chance' kinda mindset but there's unspoken assumption of human cultural fungibility that leads to the whole 'Muslim Democrat Local Leaders cancel Pride Week' headline that's cropping up fairly frequently now. Even most Left thinking on Israel v Palestine seems to be of the 'Israel are currently being mean but if they stopped the situation would instantly resolve into kumbayah'

Britain is sending cops at God knows how many people for their tweets but we're supposed to draw the twin conclusions that:

  1. The state is just neutrally defending "liberty"
  2. The current status quo is unassailable.

how did Muslims conquere the UK?

Canada is a great model to understand this dynamic. Despite being 2% of the population, Sikhs have outsized influence on Canadian political discourse.

If a group is transactional, ghettoized and votes together, then it can single handed swing elections in a divided nation. If 2% of the population can swing elections, then imagine what 7% Muslims can achieve in a significantly more divided nation.

A few factors put UK in a worse position than Canada or Europe.

  1. UK whites are more divided than European whites. Divided majority = powerful minority.
  2. Britain (and anglo countries in general) struggles to integrate immigrants into the culture, because Anglo culture is generally under-defined. Having exported its values globally, there is little it can claim exclusive ownership of. Suffering from success. In contrast, the French convert immigrants into french people first and foremost.
  3. Worse Muslims. Not all Muslims are created equal. UK's Muslims are ultra conservative Pahadis (from Pakistan) and rural Bangladeshis. These groups were ghettoized and under-integrated in their already conservative home countries. Integrating them into UK, is like playing on hard mode. Germany's Turks and France's north-Africans are much easier to deal with. Sweden has been dealt a similarly bad hand, and we can already see how that's going.
  4. Bad economy. The UK has been going downhill since the global financial crisis. Countries on the up have good optics. The US does this well. Because the American dream pays off, all sorts of misaligned cultures buy into the American dream. Winning is contagious. The UK ain't winning.

Part of the reason the US assimilates well is that the ‘red’ inscrutable cultural package lifestyle is very appealing to working people the world over- bbq, pickups, guns, etc. The UK doesn’t have any equivalent for non-elites.

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