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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 16, 2023

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I mean the very first thing that came up on google when I searched for a representative article was a WSJ op-ed with the the sub-headline "Don’t believe this week’s denials. Progressive Democrats really are coming for your kitchen appliances."

At least among Canadian conservatives the response was similar. For example from the Toronto Sun: Just the gas stove? No, green zealots want your furnace, hot water tank, too

I'm not a partisan in this debate. I think it would be good if gas stoves get eased out in the near future (more important in areas with high renewable energy production), but there are valid practical, aesthetic, and survival reasons for having a gas stove.

I don't see the disagreement. By your own admittance, Democrats are likely to get their way within a decade. Please pick either 'Democrats aren't coming for your stove' and 'They are but it's for your own good'.

I'm not a partisan in this debate. I think it would be good if gas stoves get eased out in the near future...

This framing speaks volumes about how the Overton Window gets set on these sorts of arguments, in practice. The extreme positions are that stoves should be banned immediately or that people should just be allowed to choose what stove they'd like. The centrist position is that a federal government agency should just make it cumbersome, expensive, and inconvenient to have a gas stove, leading to their eventual phaseout.

I second that. It seems like the moderate or centrist position is ‘people cook with whatever it is they want, barring obvious stupid cases like using spent nuclear fuel as a heat source’. The ‘we should phase out gas stoves’ is a radical left position no matter how gradual.

You can take my enriched plutonium oven from my blistered, dead hands!

Ok, I’ll grab my nuclear level hazmat suit and wait for the media to start wondering if you angered Putin.

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