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PaperclipPerfector  7mo ago (text post)   4371 thread views

Friday Fun Thread for September 26, 2025

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What is the use case here? I'm not being facetious, I think this is cool as hell but what is the use case? Composing and recording music is already dirt cheap.

You get 3000 credits a month for $10, and each song gen costs 10 credits. So you can get a couple hundred songs (assuming you're putting in a little bit of effort to tweak each one) each month for less than the cost of a CD back in the day. Whether that's a sustainable price point I don't know.

So we're talking below dirt cheap at this point.

MY use case has been making new high-energy songs to slip into the playlist at the gym, which is a fun process.

But this is also a step towards what I suggest is my preferred use-case: to make bespoke TV episodes, it'd need some ability to compose soundtracks and theme songs and such.

You don't notice the very clear artifacts in the sound?

I've been using Suno for about a year and a half, and its gone from "Constant artifacts that instantly betray its AI" to "If it played on the radio I wouldn't peg it unless I was paying close attention, and even then I wouldn't be sure." It even adds in respiratory sounds for Pete's sake!

Or more to the point, I think that if we did a double-blind test with randomly chosen people listening to AI songs vs. decently skilled indie artists, 80+% of them wouldn't reliably catch which were AI and which weren't, if we curated the AI stuff just a bit.

Given that a Spotify subscription costs as much why would anyone switch though?

Funny you should mention that.

Owing to the absolute dirt-cheapness mentioned above, its a 'viable' (if you cheat) business model to mass produce barely passable songs and upload them en masse to every streaming service under the sun.

And its actually debatable if this really makes the services worse given the fact that most users don't seem to notice or care much.

It certainly makes it harder for new, undiscovered artists to stand out. And that's the one thing AI has going against it. You can't yet attend a concert for an artist who only exists digitally.

But mark my words now, the first large music festival showcasing ONLY AI-produced music will be happening inside of 5 years.

Also, like two years back I talked about how I was still collecting music to my local devices through force of habit. It seems even more laughably futile now in the face of tech which can keep producing songs faster than I can even listen to them.

And more recently we discussed the art of cover songs.

This is also a machine that, if legal restrictions were not an object, lets you translate any given song to any given genre, instantly.

mark my words now, the first large music festival showcasing ONLY AI-produced music will be happening inside of 5 years.

Maybe, and maybe there will be sufficiently large cohort of people who want to go that it becomes a viable vehicle for the entertainment industry.

Much more likely, I think, is the move away from AI / digital art because people realise they need something human. That something human will be delivered not on screen or via any digital mechanism, thereby creating high demand for real life events (everything from spoken word poetry to pop-up tiny stage theatre to large concerts). The price inflation of tickets for gigs and live sports events is a symptom that shows this need for a real experience is already happening. It’s growing and not yet been adequately catered for.

Also, like two years back I talked about how I was still collecting music to my local devices through force of habit. It seems even more laughably futile now in the face of tech which can keep producing songs faster than I can even listen to them.

Why would it be futile if you actually cared about those songs? Unless you mean you collect music in the same way warez people collect releases, ie. without any real care about the actual content.

Unless AI music generators achieve near true sentience level understanding of music and prompts and can use that understanding to analyze a database of my preferences, I just can't see AI music in any way competing with the music I have collected (and slowly keep adding). If anything, the problem with collecting more music is that it's so hard to find something I'd like that I didn't already know of (and Spotify's piss poor recommendation system certainly doesn't help there *).

*: Would it really be that difficult for them to add options to "never suggest this artist / album / any variant of this song for this playlist / ever"?

And that's the one thing AI has going against it. You can't yet attend a concert for an artist who only exists digitally.

Ahem...cultured people have been doing this for a while now.

Yeah, its a very solid point.

THAT SAID... I'm wondering if people would actually be willing to buy tickets to sit and have the AI's songs just played at them over the speakers, even if there was an video accompaniment.

Or they can commission an actual band to play the songs, but at that point... just become a fan of said band?

Well, guess we'll see if I'm right:

But mark my words now, the first large music festival showcasing ONLY AI-produced music will be happening inside of 5 years.

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