Thanks for fixing this! I too was having the very slow loading and then timing out,and last night I got the ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH error message, and everything I tried on my end did nothing.
Yeah, saw the same thing, with the same error message. Annoyingly, as a curious technically minded person, I couldn't seem to find a quick way to get any of Chrome, Firefox, "openssl s_client", wget or curl to tell exactly what the "VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH" being complained about was. I expect Chrome and Firefox to be anywhere from useless to actively hostile in debugging problems, but openssl, curl, and wget are from Unix developers from whom I expected better debug logs. I admittedly didn't spend a whole lot of time looking...
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Thanks for fixing this! I too was having the very slow loading and then timing out,and last night I got the ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH error message, and everything I tried on my end did nothing.
Good to know it wasn't me that broke it 😀
Yeah, saw the same thing, with the same error message. Annoyingly, as a curious technically minded person, I couldn't seem to find a quick way to get any of Chrome, Firefox, "openssl s_client", wget or curl to tell exactly what the "VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH" being complained about was. I expect Chrome and Firefox to be anywhere from useless to actively hostile in debugging problems, but openssl, curl, and wget are from Unix developers from whom I expected better debug logs. I admittedly didn't spend a whole lot of time looking...
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