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A) You're 100% right and I'm downplaying astroturfings role in creating a massive problem that I am dismissing out of hand because my own cultural circle smacks down tranny agitprop so I am, despite my presence on this board, still unaware of the depth of the rot that you guys are experiencing.
B) I'm still right that astroturfing didn't move the popular needle. It didn't make trannies popular generally it made autogynephiliacs and hormonal teenagers and mentally weak people latch onto a thermostatically salient expression of individuated maladaptations. I maintain that ROGD is the primary effector for trannification of teenage girls, and that it isn't trans agitprop that made them go one way but just idiotic teens (I realize this invalidates my statement about people not being sheep, but I thread this needle by not treating teenagers as people). Parsing the specific numbers is immaterial for whether astroturfing moved trannifycation or if trannyfication was just the latest means of Rebelling Against The System, but I maintain that the astroturfing didn't move where it needed to: the apolitical normie. Screeching slacktivists filling feeds with astroturfed agitprop talk to each other, and you can replace trannies with migrants with late term abortion or whatever cause celebre that group is predisposed to cloister around to begin with.
So, I am prepared to be wrong. I am of the belief that peoples personal beliefs are individuated and not subject to change just based on a tiktok feed telling them endlessly that Hasan Piker didn't zap his doggo so MAGA is actually evil or whatever botted message is being pumped out. The Internet Research Agency in Russia isn't inventing anti migrant sentiment out of thin air, its merely pouring gasoline onto a simmering fire. Astroturfing is pictures of flames for people to get shocked over, and maybe its fuel, but its not heat.
I agree and disagree at the same time. Once you reach critical mass, social contagion is probably the mechanism with the strongest effect, but there's usually a ground zero. The illustrative anecdote / analogy that goes around is anorexia. Apparently in Korea (I think) it was literally unheard of until some newspaper covered the cases in America, and then suddenly they had an epidemic.
I mean, look, we still exist within the bounds of the physical universe. Le Rationalists love acting like everything is an organic process that is essentially impossible to influence top-down, and Social Constructivists love to act like with enough propaganda they could literally warp time and space, but I think there's a happy middle. You can push the boundaries quite far, but at some point reality will start reasserting itself, and that point is probably somewhere far before sending rapists to female prisons, because they declared themselves to be a pretty little princess.
Those girls would have latched onto something else were it not for trans as a means of coping with the difficulty of being a teenager. These girls would have been cutting and starving themselves if their first reference point was a Sandman or a 90s heroin chic comic in the library.
As much as the real world exists we do live in Modern Times where wordcel smartypants get to distort the presentation beyond our eyes. A teenage boy in Wyoming who can't put on muscle and hates herding will latch onto the trans agitprop from Desmond Is Amazing stans, while his father will choke down Tucker Carlson slop about Portland being a drug infested hellhole overrun by diseased immigrants. Wordcels dictate the terms when reality assertion isn't proximate but when the agitators enter real world suddenly their fancy words become just hot air if they can't match the reality they've been asserting.
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