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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 20, 2025

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Related to down-thread discussion, "Trump nominee Paul Ingrassia withdraws after rare Republican pushback over text messages" (Reuters)

What is the situation with Senate confirmation whipping? There's been very little pushback from the Senate, but also the WH nominates low quality appointees without verifying the Senate will approve them.

Related to that, does Trump have a clear strategy for managing the caucus, in general? He commuted George Santos's sentence, for the stated reason that Santos always voted Republican, which is a pretty strong signal, but is he doing anything to prove his reliability to non-criminal members of the party?

Sink or swim? If or when legislators spit them back up, then an additional decision can be made whether to cram the nominee down their throat.

He commuted George Santos's sentence, for the stated reason that Santos always voted Republican, which is a pretty strong method, but is he doing anything to prove his reliability to non-criminal members of the party?

Trump was charmed by his saucy, sassy gumption and fashionable friends. Seriously, the guy could be cast as The Gay Friend in any Hollywood romcom ever made. Straight out of Sex in the City.

Santos “was somewhat of a ‘rogue,’ but there are many rogues throughout our Country that aren’t forced to serve seven years in prison,” Trump wrote

He showed initiative, he showed gumption. What's forgiveness for a little fraud? Another theory: Santos was doing very poorly in prison, or presented himself as such, and Trump took pity on him after an advocate got the president's ear. Santos is reprehensible to me and I wouldn't believe a lick of what he says, but mercy can be a demonstration of power.

The biggest travesty is that Santos is not in congress right now. He had what it takes to win a quite blue district, and was loyal to the party line. Throw him in jail later if needed, but he should have been given the chance to serve.

He’s certainly the elected official his constituents (and the country writ large) deserves, I’ll give him that much.

He had what it takes to win a quite blue district

Being a shameless grifter and con-artist running against someone who still doesn't have a wikipedia page? Do you think he would have won re-election, if only the House hadn't expelled him?

I have a hard time accepting 7 years as a just sentence for the level of fraud here. There are very serious violent crimes that ruin lives that don’t get that amount of time. There are some murders that don’t get that amount of time.

The US Federal Sentencing Guidelines calculate the sentence for economic crimes fairly robotically based on the total dollar amount lost by all the victims. This means that rich people stealing from other rich people are sentenced more harshly than the subjective seriousness of the crime would suggest, or than they would be in most other jurisdictions (including US state courts).

There are very serious violent crimes that ruin lives that don’t get that amount of time. There are some murders that don’t get that amount of time.

That's a problem with the level of punishment given to the murders.

That’s definitely a good point, and if America was a country where most rapists and murderers got the death penalty I would have a much easier time accepting Santos’s sentence. But it isn’t, and so I have a hard time seeing him in prison for that long just because he had the temerity to say the quiet part out loud: that most congressmen are grifting con artists.

I have a hard time accepting 7 years as a just sentence for the level of fraud here.

7 years sounds pretty reasonable for the amount of fraud he did. And his sucky, awful, scammy demeanor makes him very unsympathetic. He embezzled and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars. I think most of his sentence is reasonable based on the COVID / PPP unemployment fraud alone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Santos#Federal_prosecution

There are very serious violent crimes that ruin lives that don’t get that amount of time. There are some murders that don’t get that amount of time.

That seems to be more of an issue with under punishing murder than anything else.

The maximum if I recall which is the nastier end of the example making stick. We don't jail politicians for lying to voters, but he did stick to denial and defiance until there there was nothing left. He probably would have gotten a softer touch had he bowed out with any amount of grace or contrition. In the end he serves 4 or 5 months? If he goes away forever and moves on it seems fine. I don't know if he has that in him.

The guy called someone else a RINO! Absolute mad lad.