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IDK man -- "not going as well as we'd hoped" with a brand new market segment isn't quite a "dumpster fire" in my book -- especially since it's hard to untangle the... political constraints that have come to the fore since launch. It did sell like twice as many units as the electric F150 in it's launch year; looks like Ford is selling slightly more in 2025, but emphasis there is 'slightly' -- maybe electric pickups are just not hot sellers?
Now (this)[https://www.reuters.com/business/stellantis-recalls-over-320000-us-vehicles-over-battery-fire-risk-says-nhtsa-2025-11-04/] is a (Big 3) dumpster fire!
Well, when you're telling investors how great your company is going to be doing, because of a hot new product you're working on, which then proceeds to flop (as per the expectations you set yourself) I would call it a dimlater fire.
There's also something special-pleadingy about calling it a whole new market segment. It's a pickup truck. It competes with kther pickups.
Yeah... maybe it was a bad idea to bet on an electric piclup, then?
Oh, the Cybertruck fits that criterion as well:
https://mashable.com/article/every-cybertruck-recall-full-list
It does not -- if I want a pickup, I will go buy a regular 1/2 tonne 4x4 from a major manufacturer -- Ford alone sells nearly a million of these per year. Cybertruck/Rivian/F150L compete in this segment in the same sense as caviar competes with hamburger.
Hard to know until you try! Anyways, it really depends on how much the bet cost and what the margins are like on the trucks that they are selling -- 'making less money than planned' is not a dumpster fire; 'losing money' might be. I don't know what these figures are, do you?
You will note a distinct lack of recalls related to issues of spontaneous combustion on that list -- really puts the 'fire' in dumpster fire!
That just means they're not very good trucks and are losing the competition. When the Model Y was the best selling car in a given year (or quarter, I forget), Elon was rightfully crowing about it. Same rules apply when things don't go his way.
And know that we know, we can call it a dumpster fire.
Opportunity costs are a thing.
Also, when you are trying to wow your investors with a shiny new product and how much it will sell, don't even get the order of magnitude right, and then see the sales cut by half the following year, yeah, that's a dumpster fire. The same thing with Optimus, if (or rather when) it turns out it's a dud, it will be pure cope to claim "well, it's not selling that much worse than Boston Dynamics".
No, sadly the world doesn't run on open source, and companies tend to be pretty cagey about their failures.
Well... that's technically correct, but it's not clear whether that's because they don't have an issue, or just don't want to make the recall public.
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