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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 3, 2025

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He brought a girl over of her own will, she got cold feet while he was stripping off his clothes, but she didn't say so.

Which means he transgressed by ignoring or not noticing her "cold feet," and thus failed to get affirmative consent. From Wikipedia:

This is the approach endorsed by colleges and universities in the U.S.,[62] who describe consent as an "affirmative, unambiguous, and conscious decision by each participant to engage in mutually agreed-upon sexual activity."

From the University of Sydney, in Australia (so this isn't just an American thing):

If it's not an enthusiastic yes, it's a no

If you’re engaging in romantic or sexual activity, you need consent every time. Consent must be informed, voluntary and active, meaning that, through an expression of clear physical and verbal actions, a person has indicated permission to engage in romantic or sexual activity. It is critical that you pay attention to and respect the other people’s verbal and physical signals of agreement, and you should expect others to do the same.

The Commonwealth Consent Policy Framework: Promoting Healthy Sexual Relationships and Consent Among Young People (669 KB) establishes a clear, consistent and evidence-based definition of consent, with five core concepts underpinning the messaging.

Affirmative and communicated

Consent is clearly communicated, and sexual partners are actively checking for consent verbally and non-verbally.

Consent is never implied or assumed. Silence, freezing, the absence of a ‘no’, appearing disengaged or a lack of any apparent discomfort, hesitation or resistance, does not imply consent.

[Bold emphasis added]

(And you can read more on the Australian Government's new national consent framework, introduced January 2024, here.)

And from the Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network (RAINN, the US's largest anti-sexual violence organization, operators of the National Sexual Assault Hotline.):

Consent isn’t just a one-time check-in. It’s an ongoing conversation. You need consent every time, for every type of activity. Just because someone said yes in the past doesn’t mean they’re saying yes now. Just because someone agreed to one thing doesn’t mean they’re okay with everything.

How to Practice Consent

  • Ask, “Is this okay?” before moving forward
  • Listen and respond to your partner’s words and body language
  • Respect a “no”—even if it’s said quietly, indirectly, or nonverbally
  • Check in as things progress; don’t assume it’s fine to keep going

You also have the right to change your mind. Consent can be withdrawn at any time, even in the middle of an activity. If something doesn’t feel right, you can speak up—or use nonverbal signals like freezing, pulling away, or going silent. Partners should watch for these signs and stop immediately if anything seems off.

Enthusiastic consent means seeking out a clear, positive “yes”—not just the absence of “no.” This model encourages partners to look for active participation, mutual excitement, and ongoing check-ins throughout an intimate experience.

What Consent Is Not

Understanding what doesn’t count as consent is just as important. These are red flags that show consent is not present:

  • Taking silence or lack of resistance as agreement

Consent should never be assumed. It must be given clearly, freely, and enthusiastically.

[Bold in original]

Note the "partners should watch for these signs and stop immediately if anything seems off" part. Our male character clearly didn't do that. She did not give unambiguous, enthusiastic, and ongoing consent.

Barring the most partisan of gender warriors, nobody would consider that coercive.

Only if you consider "the most partisan of gender warriors" to include (but not limited to) most universities in the Anglosphere, the Australian government, institutions like RAINN (which have non-trivial sway over the American legal system's approaches to these issues), nearly the entirety of Tumblr (IME), and a growing fraction of Western youth among at least the upper-middle-class, maybe.

Jesus, what is this, the sexual code for robots? I always saw sex as something raw, animalistic, spontaneous. Wrestling and overpowering with even some violence if that's what she's into.

Jesus, what is this, the sexual code for robots?

Seriously, though, I'd argue that it's just the inevitable conclusion of the "consent model of sexual ethics" (particularly in combination with the natural human instinct to protect women in particular), and of Western society's attitude on these issues for the last century or so. (People talk a lot about the "sexual revolution" of the 1960s, and forget the possibly bigger one in the 1920s.)

Personally, I hope Blue Tribe liberals keep embracing and promoting these norms as thoroughly and widely as they can.

the sexual code for robots?

It's just a blatant attempt (and a successful one) to criminalize any sex anyone would actually want.

If you view women purely as sex workers/providers, a point on which feminists/progressives and traditionalists already agree, this makes sense, since "only criminalize buying" is the ultimate veto over any action the buyer makes in the future. Get famous after 50 years and think they didn't pay enough? Believe it or not, straight to jail.

What, you thought the Junior Anti-Sex League was fiction?

It's literally the same law we use for AoC violations, just with a fig leaf over the whole "well, technically women can consent, so stop complaining, won't you Think of the Children?". Again, that's also by design.