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I don't really see much to engage with here; your assertions are packaged in such a way as to discourage careful consideration and it would probably be helpful for you to clearly articulate a thesis.
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Just don't know what to make of this. That sounds kinda like something I could believe, but it's vague enough that I can't exactly go find out more or argue, can I? Except to say that I'm not sure I have seen that, no. Perhaps someone will demonstrate it at some point, in which case I'll likely adopt the position and also be upset about the matter.
Also you seem to be a single-issue poster which indicates crankery in general. Leaves me less interested in investing in understanding whatever it is you're trying to say.
Jiro did it upthread right here:
See, either you think "vaccines" work — *all vaccines, from the polio vaccine to mRNA Covid shots — or you think vaccines don't work, not a one of them.
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Have you not seen critics of the COVID vaccine (any COVID vaccine) consistently described as anti-vaxers? The only time I recall a serious offline conversation about this, an old friend took my criticism of the social dynamic as criticism of vaccines in general despite my explicit words to the contrary.
99% of the time, critics of the vaccine are anti-vaxxers. Weird rationalists are weird.
nah, it's probably around 5% of the time people criticizing the covid shot are against all vaccines
although, I appreciate you responding downthread demonstrating people do indeed smudge together all vaccines as a tactic to label anyone criticizing a single one as an "anti-vaxxer," i.e., against all vaccines
Probably a lot of the people posting here who criticize it aren't against vaccines (although even then I'm not so sure). This place is, compared to the general population, weird.
Lots of people outside of the motte get tetanus shots even when they say the covid shot and the flu shot are harmful or garbage. Attempting to claim "95%" of these people are anti-vaxxers is a bad argument.
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That's just normies being bad at decoupling.
no, this isn't just random normies
random normies repeat it because they've watched media, doctors, public health officials, government officials, scientists, etc., engaging in dishonest rhetoric to discredit people they disagree with by lying about their position
and then using it because it's effective
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Appreciate you reading my thoughts. I've never seen these assertions packaged together, and put it down for you to share. This is a single issue I've been close to since its inception, and that's what gives me a good stance for memory on things other people may have forgotten. "Crankery" is what strengthens my synthesis.
I at least wanted to leave contentious "fact-checkable" assertions and debates behind, which leaves me to make the sweeping global claims I have outlined. The covid vaccine is part of a structural, malevolent Foucauldian play against some people living in the West.
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