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Unfortunately, it seems like replacing the shoggoth of Capitalism with a simpler, cruder social system or inventing artificial wombs is easier for people than things like
, even if I would prefer that too. Also, it seems a waste to not root for glorious transhumanist destiny in the age when it seems most possible yet.
In general, I think the debate has baked in coercion because many people in the debate have concluded that the reason for unmotivated young men is no steady gf, and no steady gf is because divorces and tinder. Which are large-scale enough factors that some coercion would be required to attack them.
Serious question, how would one gather evidence on which way the causal arrow runs between "no motivation, poor social skills" and "no gf"? "I would do it if they changed" is just the default narrative for people with external-locus-of-control, same as the /r/antiwork people who would totally work hard if someone made them a tenured professor of philosophy.
Legions of awkward, self-indulgent, self-absorbed Gen Z men complain that girls are too picky about sex, sure; and legions of plump, vain Gen Z women complain that boys are too withholding about relationships. When both sides in a stalemate plaintively assert that it's the other side's fault, and when both have what the other side claims are unrealistic expectations of what's owed to them, what's a good method for adjudicating where the actual ZOPA should lie?
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But is that true? How much of the female withdrawal from the dating market is driven by the incredible level of fearmongering about male bad behavior? I mean, there's the family guy clip about campus sexual assault training, but tiktok is just way way worse at playing up female neuroticism than liability-minimizing bureaucrats.
How much of it is simply that a far higher percentage of young women are unattractive as GF's, mostly due to higher obesity rates?
Sure, you can throw tiktok in, too. Tinder does take up some of the "fearmongering about male bad behavior" space with all the low effort dick pic guys, or so I'm told.
I don't think obesity is a factor for most guys in question. The sentiment I observe is usually "no one is interested in me", not "only the fatties are interested in me".
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