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Probably. Intra-coalition jockeying always peaks around this point in the election cycle. Remember all the Kyrsten Sinema hate back in the winter of 2021-2022?
Regarding this cycle specifically, the Republican coalition that won the election was pretty united that mass immigration is bad, but they weren’t in agreement on why it is bad. Some people think it’s bad because “we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” Some people think it’s bad because it drives down wages. Some people think it’s bad because immigrants are poor and stupid. Some people just think it’s unfair that illegals get to jump the line literally and figuratively. All of these groups will be more or less sympathetic to different particular types of immigrants.
Why does it have to be "white children" and not "American children"? Why can't a man (or woman for that matter) want to secure both a future for their family and a living wage for their neighbor?
It's a reference. My list was of course not all-inclusive. I assure you however that there exist people who are okay with white immigrants and not okay with any other immigrants.
Why make that reference? Are you trying to imply that Trump voters are Nazis?
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