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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 10, 2025

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At this point, Nybbler, I think all the waters are sufficiently muddied that we'll never know who actually did what (apart from Epstein and the previous underage sex charges brought against him, which were explained in a previous comment on a different thread).

Giuffre and what she might or might not have said - her book is out now and a lot of media commentary on it was dragging in Trump's name. I could well believe she might be coaxed into dropping hints about Trump and Epstein in order to sell the book, were she still alive; it seems she did exactly this (changed her statements) about her husband:

Giuffre also talks about her husband, Robert Giuffre, extensively. In the main body of the book, she generally portrays him in a positive light, describing him as a supportive partner and the person who "rescued her from Epstein and Maxwell's clutches". However, this positive portrayal became a point of contention after her death. In the weeks before her suicide in April 2025, Giuffre made public accusations that her husband had physically abused her during their 22-year marriage, and she expressed a desire to revise the book to reflect this. The book's co-author, Amy Wallace, addresses this conflict in a foreword, explaining the situation and the reasons why Giuffre might have initially chosen to remain silent about the domestic abuse in the manuscript itself. The published book therefore contains her original, more loving descriptions of her husband, alongside the foreword and other editorial notes that acknowledge the later abuse allegations.

So when there's money to be made, victimhood status, and pressure to 'name names' on someone probably not very mentally stable, I am ruling nothing out.

At this point, Nybbler, I think all the waters are sufficiently muddied that we'll never know who actually did what

After entertaining various noxious allegations and then finding they are unsupported, it is at the very least discourteous to then fall back on invincible ignorance.

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