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Culture War Roundup for the week of November 24, 2025

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For that system to hold, its a 2 way street.

A real question, culturally, do men want the responsibilities, or just the perks?

I think that’s key. The church needs to teach men to do their part, even when women sin against them, and it needs to teach women to do their part, even when men sin against them. But it’s fine for a parachurch ministry, or a church’s men’s or women’s ministry, to focus on just one of these at a time.

I do think that such a ministry needs to be willing to frankly discuss the other side’s duties. But it would be odd if that were the primary focus.

It is kind of hard to continue with these duties in the context of modern economies. Setting aside how realistic it is for middle class/working class families to have only a single income, male physical superiority doesn't necessarily mean much from an earning power perspective anymore. Why must the male be the one that takes on responsibility/authority?

Why must the male be the one that takes on responsibility/authority?

In the context of a parachurch ministry, the answer is straightforward: God designed the human sexes that way, and He has commanded us to follow that design. The Bible is pretty emphatic about this:

  • Genesis 2:18-25 begins, “Then the Lord God said, ‘It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.’”
  • 1 Corinthians 11:3 says, “But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.” I do not want to put too much weight on the nuances of this one, because it comes in a discussion about headcoverings that is much disputed and kind of confusing in the context of the rest of the Bible. But I don’t want to leave it out.
  • Ephesians 5:22-33 is the passage that is most often referenced in evangelical churches on this topic. If you want to understand what the Promise Keepers aspired to, it’s the one to read.
  • Colossians 3:18-22 is a condensed household code in line with the other passages.
  • 1 Peter 3:1-7 commands wives to give obedience and husbands to give understanding and honor, along with some thoughts on feminine virtue.

If I were to make a secular argument, I would build it on the distribution of temperaments in men and women and how they interact within this framework, and I’d refer to studies of different subcultures with different marriage norms, being aware of the biases in social psychology. But it’s much harder to make a normative argument that way, and there would be legitimate discussion to be had about when to strengthen traditional norms to benefit the average person and when to weaken them to benefit outliers.

When you believe that the Bible is God’s Word – and that’s the conviction the Promise Keepers were working from – then it has the right to make normative claims that human prudence does not.

I think that’s key. The church needs to teach men to do their part, even when women sin against them, and it needs to teach women to do their part, even when men sin against them. But it’s fine for a parachurch ministry, or a church’s men’s or women’s ministry, to focus on just one of these at a time.

Maybe. But not if all such are focusing on the same one; then you're just teaching that half to be chumps. And contrary to the GPs insinuation, it's mostly not men who are demanding perks without responsibilities, and insinuating that when talking about a group specifically called the "Promise Keepers" is especially bad.

and insinuating that when talking about a group specifically called the "Promise Keepers" is especially bad.

...why? Are we going to take the People's Republic of North Korea on their word that their republic belongs to the People in a higher proportion than the ones not called that?

Sure. People are reluctant to teach women that they need to hold up their end even when their husbands sin against them.

In a culture that is so hostile to it, low decouplers – and most low decouplers are women – will hear that as, “He’s totally allowed to abuse you.” Some high decouplers will deliberately misinterpret it that way for rhetorical reasons. A pastor has the responsibility to distinguish the two and to break through honest misunderstanding where it occurs. But it’s difficult, and it’s risky, and too many shirk that duty.

That said, there are still going to be men who want to take the benefits without the responsibilities. Reminding them of their duties is noble work, as long as you don’t use it as excuse to ignore more common sins.

Edited to add the last paragraph.

Sure. People are reluctant to teach women that they need to hold up their end even when their husbands sin against them.

Or that they need to hold up their end at all. Or that they even have an "end" to hold up.