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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 1, 2025

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It's yesterday's news at this point, but the recent University of Oklahoma essay controversy has continued to fester in my brain for the sheer incongruence of reactions. In case you haven't heard, Samantha Fulnecky, a junior studying Psychology, received a 0 for submitting an essay whose central argument was essentially a blunt appeal to Biblical inerrancy. While I find this a suspect choice in even most religious studies courses, the assignment tasked her with reviewing a journal article about the effects of social pressures on adolescent gender presentation and identification - hardly something the Bible addresses directly. In response, the graduate student instructor, who is trans, gave her a zero. Fulnecky, in her (apparent) indignance, complained to the local chapter of TPUSA that this is an act of religious discrimination, and sparks flew. And they've kept flying. Fulnecky received an honorary award from the Oklahoma state Congress and has been speaking about her situation on Fox News. The university has sided with Fulnecky, placing the instructor on indefinite administrative leave until...the situation blows over? It's unclear how much "investigation" this really requires, but it is clear that Fulnecky has won the battle.

I am more interested in the war. Conservative scuffles at universities seem dime-a-dozen at this point, which makes it all the more surprising that this one has climbed out of the Twitter pit to receive national attention. For one, the essay is not particularly high-quality. This is not a case where a student submitted a carefully argued theological analysis, but instead appealed to the most straightforward of scriptural arguments and didn't even cite the verses in question! While the resulting grade of 0 seems slightly punitive and I don't doubt it was motivated by some level of personal offense, the professor's response hardly could be considered discriminatory. I've heard some grumblings that the instructor gave this grade specifically because she is trans - so it hurt more, or something - but I think most cis psychology profs these days would have a similar reaction. I think Fulnecky deserved some points, but not many. She lacks one of the most foundational skills a college-level writer needs: adapting your ideas to your audience.

Speculation on Twitter is running wild, suggesting that Fulnecky intentionally submitted a poor essay to gain some conservative street-cred, that her lawyer mother is involved, and plenty of other mental gymnastics. I don't blame the gymnasts - this case has been elevated to levels that are suspiciously unjustified, in my view. The banal reason is that it's easy pickings for conservative commentators who are salivating for any story they can nut-pick to put on the evening news block. But is that really all it takes? Can a religious person do any wrong in the eyes of the New Right? I realize writing this that I sound completely incredulous that the media could blow up a story, but seeing it happen in real-time has been pretty mind boggling. Read the essay and let me know what you think. I don't want to be mistaken for consensus-building here, and I would welcome any and all steelmans for the pro-Fulnecky position. Maybe I've been cut by yet another scissor statement (in this case, essay).

This is further evidence to me that red-tribers have completely abandoned most institutes of higher education. It's no longer a question of "we must reform the universities and stop them from being ideologically possessed!" but "the universities are ideologically possessed and the only way out is avoidance/destruction." It doesn't help when college graduates seem to be fleeing the red tribe like it's got the plague - it's much easier to prop up a controversy when the remaining red tribers lack the personal experience to vet it properly. All this to say: I think universities are really going to have it rough under this administration. They've already been sued to hell and back. If the red tribe couldn't turn the university system around by playing nice, they're going to do it by force - social, legal, or otherwise.

While the resulting grade of 0 seems slightly punitive and I don't doubt it was motivated by some level of personal offense

A grade of zero should really only ever be given as punishment for cheating, plaigarism or not handing anything in. I'm sure the essay was very bad, but it was at least an essay, that I assume she wrote herself rather than getting ChatGPT to do it, I hear Mr GPT isn't that big on biblical literalism.

She got a 0 because she demonstrated the wrong political position. As for the correct political position, well, it was an essay about gender roles being marked by a guy who pretends to be a woman.

Fulnecky wrote that she was frustrated by the premise of the article because she doesn't believe that there are more than two genders based on her understanding of the Bible

Rejecting the premise of the question is a perfectly legitimate way to answer an essay question.

A grade of zero should really only ever be given as punishment for cheating, plaigarism or not handing anything in.

This depends a lot on the prof in question, and also on the range. 0 out of 5 is very different from 0 out of 100. (It seems it was zero out of 25, which indeed seems a bit harsh.)

Rejecting the premise of the question is a perfectly legitimate way to answer an essay question.

It depends. Let's leave aside the fact that the topic of her essay is obviously culture war ground zero (and if the Christians and the Grievance Studies people end up wiping each other from public universities, I could not be happier). If you decide to study a certain subject, you need to engage with its premises a bit. Not necessarily believe they are true in your heart of hearts, but at least make legible arguments with them.

If you are a young earth creationist studying geology, and you refuse to date any rock to older than 4000 BC, you will fail.

If you are studying medieval French poetry, and are of the perfectly legal opinion that French is just strange monkey noises which do not convey any deeper meaning, you will fail.

If you are studying mathematics and believe that every axiomatic system is self-contradictory, and use this belief in your 'proofs', you will fail (with zero out of 100, no less).

If you are studying Catholic theology and not only are an atheist, but also believe that nothing which Augustine wrote could possibly be worth knowing, you will fail. (A lesser form of this is why I would not make a good theology student.)

None of these beliefs prevent you from completing your subject per se. A geology student who rephrases the question as "What does Satan want me to believe about the age of this rock?" can still ace his test. A mathematician can privately be a fan of falso while also being willing to construct proofs under lesser axiomatic systems. If I had sufficient incentive, I could probably learn enough doctrine to pass a theology class.

From the AP link:

Students were asked to write a 650-word response to an academic study that examined whether conformity with gender norms was associated with popularity or bullying among middle school students.

IMHO, the fact that there are people who conform more or less to gender norms is certainly one of the less controversial ones as far as gender study findings go. You do not have to pay lip service to gender nonbinary to engage with this question. (Also, I have the suspicion that most Christians would not consider each and every gender norm to be good. I mean, Andrew Tate and Stoya are both beyond the 99th percentile of fulfilling some gender norms, and it seems most Christian parents would prefer their middle-school kids to behave androgynously rather than emulating them.)

So without looking up the 'study' and the exact phrasing of the question, this looks more like, "geology student was asked to describe coastal erosion, gets on a weird tangent about the earth is 6000 years old for most of her essay while failing to mention water."

If you are a young earth creationist studying geology, and you refuse to date any rock to older than 4000 BC, you will fail.

The stated grading criteria for the essay were very unlike "what is the age of this rock?".