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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 8, 2025

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I'm sorry how is that a counterexample to anything we've posted so far?

ThenElection's post seems to imply that "death to Jews", "English people should die in a fire" exist on the same vein of hate speech that would be opposing Muslim/Trans hate speech. I guess to some extent that makes sense because of Muslim/Jew enmity. But it's smuggling in too much to pretend the the fairness here on most people's mind is not white person, nationalistic person, straight person, conservative person, and not just that Jewish is treated as a protected class along with Muslim.

There are a couple different speech policy regimes that could exist in England, all consistent with "you're not allowed to criticize Muslims or migrants." I'm just trying to get a better sense of which one best describes England.

  1. Muslim supremacy: you can't criticize Muslims, but white people and especially Jews are fair game.

  2. Inter-ethnic protections: you aren't allowed to criticize people outside your ethnicity.

  3. Wokeness: depends on who, whom, and the particular ordering of the progressive stack. 1) is kind of a degenerate version of this.

  4. Universalism: no one is allowed to criticize anyone aggressively.

None of those are my preference, but 2) and somewhat 4) seem like defensible approaches. My guess is that 3) is closest to what's happening, but that's just based on Twitter vibes.

But this illustrates why free speech is important. Let’s assume ad arguendo that Muslims are in fact making Britain worse. If you categorically remove the ability to question problems (eg increasing Muslims and encouraging Muslims to stay is making Britain worse), then you either (1) end up with a worse country and/or (2) remove it from a political discussion into a violent one.

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