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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 30, 2023

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Okay. First, they wouldn't patent such a pill, because they know it'd be the top story on FOX for the next week and not sell. Second, they wouldn't be able to sell or distribute the pill - no FDA approval because it doesn't treat any diseases. Nor would any normal democrats or leftists (leftist generally refers to 'socialist / communist / anarchist', not 'normal democrats), give it to their kid, even the particularly gay-accepting ones, they do not think gay is better than straight. The only possible exception I can see here is maybe some gay parents would want their adopted children to be gay to for the shared experiences, but I don't think that translates to a meaningful number of uses of the pill. It would lead to interesting science on how 'being gay' works, though.

So this is just conservative fear porn? It's not any more interesting than a post about 'what would conservatives do if science discovered 20% of people are trans, and not letting them transition makes them very sad??'.

Okay. First, they wouldn't patent such a pill, because they know it'd be the top story on FOX for the next week and not sell. Second, they wouldn't be able to sell or distribute the pill - no FDA approval because it doesn't treat any diseases. Nor would any normal democrats or leftists (leftist generally refers to 'socialist / communist / anarchist', not 'normal democrats), give it to their kid, even the particularly gay-accepting ones, they do not think gay is better than straight.

Puberty blockers are basically that pill, but for trans. The only thing you might be right about is the FDA approval process, which in this case was easily circumvented by getting it approved for completely different cases, but prescribing them for dysphoria. Otherwise you're wrong on all counts.

Puberty blockers have other uses, so the FDA's approval thereof says nothing about how they would treat the hypothetical gay pill. Here is Wikipedia's take:

Delaying or temporarily suspending puberty is a medical treatment for children whose puberty started abnormally early (precocious puberty).[21] Puberty blockers have been used on-label since the 1980s to treat precocious puberty in children,[22] and were approved for use in treating precocious puberty in children by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1993.[23] Puberty blockers are also commonly used for children with idiopathic short stature, for whom these medications can be used to promote development of long bones and increase adult height.[21] In adults, the same drugs have a range of different medical uses, including the treatment of endometriosis, breast and prostate cancer, and polycystic ovary syndrome.[24]

Uh... yes, that's what I said.

Puberty blockers were approved for blocking puberty, in order to treat recognized medical problems. Hence, they are not evidence to refute the argument that there will be "no FDA approval because it doesn't treat any diseases." That was OP's premise, and in fact OP explicitly referenced treatments for trans kids: " this would be slightly different in that there is no allegation of a pre-existing condition. This pill doesn't alleviate the suffering of someone whose body doesn't match their brain,"

Puberty blockers were approved for blocking puberty,

They have been approved for precocious puberty. That's not an on-label use for treating gender dysphoria in otherwise healthy children.

Hence, they are not evidence to refute the argument that there will be "no FDA approval because it doesn't treat any diseases."

Which is why I said "The only thing you might be right about is the FDA approval process".

Whether it is an on-label use is irrelevant when the question is whether it would be approved for any use.

He's saying a "gay pill" would not get approved because it doesn't treat any diseases. I said he might be right on that, but that process could be circumvented by approving it for something else, and then using it as a "gay pill". If you're disagreeing with anything I said, I really don't see what.

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