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Culture War Artifact Analysis: Holiday Edition - The Family Stone
There is very little to discuss about this extremely boring movie. Diane Keaton simply Diane Keatons for a long time.
It is primarily a fable about the importance of hospitality. A pack of mannerless hicks torments their guest during an important religious holiday. They make her feel like an imposition, they treat her property disrespectfully, her partner refuses to engage in the most basic of social assistance. In retribution, the gods strike down Diane Keaton.
Blue Tribe America, especially in their youth, identify with the family. This is why their revolutions will always fail. SJP, for all her faults, is clearly portrayed as absolutely innocent. Anyone who watches this movie and feels anything but satisfaction when those jackals cry is your enemy.
Happy Holidays!
I just watched the preview for this, and it's funny how quickly red/blue tropes shifted.
When this was made I imagine that the family is meant to be taken as fun loving, goofy, and obviously blue, where as SJP is meant to be taken as stuffy, uptight, and obviously red. (edit: I just read the plout outline and one of the family members is a gay, black, deaf man who adopts a child with his gay lover)
But my initial read when watching the preview was that this was a story about an uptight leftist/frigid/HR/feminist type having to spend the holidays with a bunch of conservatives.
I cheated by reading your comment first, but it seemed this way to me as well.
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