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Culture War Roundup for the week of December 29, 2025

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I stayed up late to watch the finale last night, and I broadly agree.

I've have my beef with the direction they took Will in. I'd been predicting since then that Will's gayness would consume the entire story, and by the end he'd be defeating the main villain with the power of homosexuality.

I'm happy to say I was wrong, for the most part. Yeah, the climax, such as there was one, of the second to last episode was Will's coming out, with absolutely everyone being super cool with it. Which is a far cry from the grittier "Man, people were pretty blunt and even bigoted in the 80's" attitudes of season 1, or even season 3. At the end of the day by season 5, it was current year in 1987 or whenever the finale is supposed to be taking place.

That said, the final episode still delivered more or less. The story proper is wrapped up in a fairly straight forward 60 minutes, and then we get another 45-ish to indulgently say goodbye to all the characters. When most shows give you a quick 5-10 minute "where are they now?" montage, it was nice to not feel rushed.

I didn't feel like Will defeated Vecna with the power of homosexuality. I think Dustin had been the main character since season 4, maybe season 3, and I was ok with that. Finn Wolfhard has been phoning it in since he started doing movies and I'm not sure anyone cared about him and 11 anymore. Season 4 might have been the best season since the first one, but at least season 5 didn't completely shit the bed. It was missing a lot of the slice of life "this is what the 80's were like" trappings of earlier seasons. Even if many of them were imaginary. Then again, it was basically the back half of season 4 which set it up. Slice of life had been well and left behind.

I also think it was trapped in development hell, and had been through so many damned rewrites, that they'd lost track of what they were even doing anymore. So a lot of the thematic and character threads seemed to have fallen between the cracks. Most of the distinct character dynamics seemed to have been lost besides the love triangle between Steve, Jonathan and Nancy. Everything is just subsumed into this group "Gosh aren't we all just swell friends?" vibe.

I guess at the end of the day, it didn't ruin the show for me, which is high praise these days.

I also think it was trapped in development hell, and had been through so many damned rewrites, that they'd lost track of what they were even doing anymore. So a lot of the thematic and character threads seemed to have fallen between the cracks.

The show has a common through-line where all the characters forget their development between seasons and they spend half the runtime just getting back to where their relationship should logically be. The only season that's exempt from this is S1, and it actually features all of the characters as it actively forces control out of the hands of the adult characters a lot of the time[1] (compare S5, where they're been reduced to stock characters that forgot all their development).

I get that some of that is due to bad luck- writer's strikes, the uncommon cold, etc.- and the fact that a lot of the dynamics rest on the cast not aging out, except they did. So "a delayed X may be good someday, but a bad X is bad forever" can't apply and "well, let's just get it over with" is how it goes down.

Most of the distinct character dynamics seemed to have been lost besides the love triangle between Steve, Jonathan and Nancy.

They should have all drowned in the Cum Room, to be honest. And given that we already got a "if you didn't understand whatever the fuck that dialog was, it's your problem I guess" from the writers...

Finn Wolfhard has been phoning it in since he started doing movies and I'm not sure anyone cared about him and 11 anymore.

Hold on, Mike was actually in Season 5? I mean, I guess it's no big deal, he's only the main love interest for two of the characters [2] so it's natural he'd be absent.


Also, I watched Fire and Ash over the same period of time and enjoyed the contrast between that and Stranger Things: in F&A, characters get punished for their stupid, unforced mistakes. Sully is an objectively bad leader (as are all leaders in the Blue Man Group- the RDA is most just busy jacking off in a corner for this one), there are serious consequences to this, and it was great.

I guess at the end of the day, it didn't ruin the show for me, which is high praise these days.

I dropped it after that episode and am unwilling to watch the finale- if the show doesn't give a shit about its characters, why should I? The lack of shitposting about it on 4chan is notable and suggests a substantial jump in quality, but I've had enough and will just read the synopsis later. Though, that reminds me that I really need to catch up on both the movie and S2 of Made in Abyss.


[1] The fact that they knew to do this demonstrated that this was actually going to be a decent show that was going to use its characters properly- specifically the kid characters, who generally tend to be underdeveloped. I mean, even Will got a massive amount of development in the opening scene of S1 simply by going straight for the gun (and by being generally intelligent with the tools he had)- you'd expect him to get even better than that in the later seasons but he actively regressed until the final crybaby "i DoN'T lIkE gIrLs" (and accepting being cucked out of his role in the story by Joyce for half the season) state in S5.

And sure, S5 has some of this... but only when Holly and Derek (and to a point, Max) are involved. Hell, it'd have been funnier (and ironically, more mature) if Derek was secretly gay; "suck my fat one" indeed.

[2] Which is why I'm actually glad that ship is dead- Will age-regressed hard, and it would have been weird and creepy as a consequence (which is partially, in my opinion, why that emotional scene was doomed no matter what else they did). I guess being a bottom bitch (in the ending) is natural for what his character ultimately became, but what a fucking disappointment. The same thing's true of 11 but for different reasons; she only aged physically, not mentally.