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Culture War Roundup for the week of January 26, 2026

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The surge was specifically for the Somali daycare fraud, because “half or more of the roughly $18 billion in federal funds that supported 14 programs in Minnesota since 2018 may have been stolen.” There are 100,000 Somalis in Minnesota, many of them illegal. This is a punitive expedition and I could not support it more. Minneapolis allowed this crime to go on for years because Somalis are a D voting block and provide political donations to D. This is punishment against both the Somali community and the corrupt political establishment of the state. The news is complaining about “innocent” Somalis being detained for days, which likely means that the targeting of the community is working. The more Trump punishes, the most investment leaves the state. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/surge-in-federal-officers-in-minnesota-focuses-on-alleged-fraud-at-day-care-centers Noem says 10k have been arrested in the Minneapolis area, so the surge is working, to some degree. It’s not like this is some conservative conspiracy theory. Per NYT: https://archive.is/NNG45

How Fraud Swamped Minnesota’s Social Services System on Tim Walz’s Watch: Prosecutors say members of the Somali diaspora, a group with growing political power, were largely responsible

Federal prosecutors say that 59 people have been convicted in those schemes so far, and that more than $1 billion in taxpayers’ money has been stolen in three plots they are investigating. That is more than Minnesota spends annually to run its Department of Corrections. Minnesota’s fraud scandal stood out even in the context of rampant theft during the pandemic, when Americans stole tens of billions through unemployment benefits, business loans and other forms of aid, according to federal auditors.

Returning to your post,

here are cherry-picked cases

What do you expect us to do with this? Errors happen all the time, in everything. There were five train derailments in Spain last week, do you think there was a conniving transportation officer trying to fertilize the land with innocent Iberian blood? You need an argument rooted in statistics if you’re alleging that ICE is (1) concerningly incompetent or (2) evil. There is literally nothing we can do with these isolated cases.

officers get annoyed and take photos

Okay? They are human too. If someone harasses their local bus driver they are liable to be punched in the face. We aren’t Sparta, we don’t have endless pithy and stoical military elites to fulfill every social need.

This is a punitive expedition and I could not support it more

So what happens when it turns out that the Somalis are overwhelmingly citizens and/or legal immigrants, thanks in large part to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans who held Congress throughout the 90s, and then a bunch of churches juiced up with money thanks to George W. Bush? For the record if there's going to be punishment I think that it needs to start there.

Their legality should have been conditional on good behavior. Punish the Somalis first then go after the moralizing Pat Buchanan types that let them in under the name of jesus but didn't actually follow through with any active support. Though thats not the fault of the evangelicals that the somalia just lied about embracing jesus and found it bafflingly easy to just continue lying with the active aid of other whites that found it useful to hold an entire population of system defectors up as a cudgel against their proximate enemy.

I think you're mixing up Pat Buchanan with someone else - Buchanan was a paleoconservative exiled from the GOPe in large part because of his views on race and immigration. Here he is in 1993 talking about 'Brazilification', black-on-white crime stats, immigrant abuses of welfare, and demanding closed borders.

Jailing the Somali's who participated in the fraud seems relatively straightforward under existing laws. About 90% of the Somali population of the Twin cities are American citizens, if they cannot be legally proven to have participated in the fraud how should they be punished?

Widespread social censure and denial of services without vetting. It is clear the somalis are exploiting lawfare with the help of activists, the solution then is to punish the facilitative ecosystem. This ridiculous attitude of dropping a case just because of a minor procedural hiccup on race grounds is a ridiculous self inflicted wound and it is the festering pustule that will destroy the USAs ability to coordinate against internal system wide defectors let alone external stressors.

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