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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 9, 2026

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What confuses me is just how this hooks anybody. I can barely stand to read it for more than a paragraph or two. Setting aside all other disagreements about AI, it's horrible just on the aesthetic level. These machines simply cannot write.

I'm reminded of the '00s era of affiliate marketing websites. They had a formula that they had aggressively A/B tested and the result was glaringly horrible. Huge pages with reams of dense repetitive text, corny testimonials, and endless nagboxes offering a FREE EBOOK if you subscribe to their newsletter. Sure a lot of it was keyword SEO but that only gets the visitors to arrive, it doesn't guide them into completing the desired actions.

One person's worthless waste of bandwidth and compute is a hundred other people's most interesting media of the moment. I don't understand why anyone gets into 4chan if they're not an irredeemable weeb, but they do.

I think there’s a category of person who finds the experience of talking with the llm deeply compelling.

Using it to write an essay and sharing it feels like the equivalent of a friend who told you a story you’re trying to repeat elsewhere. It’s likely deeply uninteresting to everyone. In the same way it’s assuming the experience of making it will feel the same as reading it. It’s just repeating a conversation though at best.

Are these the equivalent of excitedly telling someone about your level 14 elf ranger? There are whole categories of activity that can feel deeply compelling while you're doing them, but are impossible to interestingly convey to others.

Though I have to confess that I myself don't find talking to an LLM compelling, even solo. It never feels insightful. It feels like endless regurgitated oatmeal, to me. Still, maybe some people enjoy that?

There are whole categories of activity that can feel deeply compelling while you're doing them, but are impossible to interestingly convey to others.

It always depends on your audience. D&D player would be impressed by 14th level elf, WOW player not so much.

Yeah I think that’s a good comparison.

I also find it a bit mysterious. It seems like the sycophancy is a real fork—I can’t stand it but some people really like confirmation and validation I think.

[disclaimer: I do not and will not use LLMs to write text I post directly to TheMotte; only in linked content I try to identify as LLM-produced.]

I've not been impressed by any AI-built writing itself, but they can be useful when analyzing a written work, even if only in a way that's helpful to the original writer. They've been able to catch everything from the standard typos and grammar errors, to pacing problems, to (in one case) a theme I overlooked, along with sometimes fairly biting criticism. They're not perfect when it comes to either false positives or false negatives, nor do they handle every use case well, but it's much more useful than info-dumping-and-getting-generic-responses back.

((Most of the time. I have had one or two times where the only criticisms I could pull out of the LLM were just 'try to make your characters feel more grounded in the setting' schlock, and that's not because the work was stellar. And for writing adult or erotic fiction, the LLMs can be hit-or-miss about pacing, unsurprisingly.))

Some of that might reflect the quality of other beta readers available, especially in fandom or extremely-genre spaces. I can't compare the LLMs to professional editors, which might well blow the machines out of the water. But I can't make that comparison because professional editors are and have long been unavailable for randos like myself.

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