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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 23, 2026

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Do I want hypersonic missiles bound for my house to be shot down? Yes. But we're not in much danger of that.

Do you have a security clearance?

unless you think that it's woke to want humans in the loop of controlling weapons and to have the civil liberty of privacy.

The humans who control American weapons are elected officials running DoD, not the defense contractors at Anthropic.

Amdoei's supposed reaction is understandable if he, as I do, believes that giving any weapons technology to this administration without oversight might be like giving fireworks to a toddler without oversight.

This is a kind of TDS, where you collapse your personal criticisms of the administration into your practical calculus of how people should behave. Remember that there are at least three other major suppliers of AI services to the Department of Defense right now and they're not threatening to turn off military weapons.

Do I want hypersonic missiles bound for my house to be shot down? Yes. But we're not in much danger of that.

Do you have a security clearance?

Sure. Jack Bauer shoots down one of Al-Qaida's hypersonic missiles bound for New York every other day, but unfortunately it is all classified which is why the woke population never realizes the danger they are in.

So we should just trust the spooks who are telling us that Saddam has WMD, that they would never spy on US citizens, that they have to spy on US citizens to keep them safe from harm, and apparently that Claude on an AA missile will make a difference on how many iodine tablets the survivors will have to take if the shit hits the fan

The humans who control American weapons are elected officials running DoD, not the defense contractors at Anthropic.

So can I trust you will still have the same position once the Executive reverts to the Dems, if Palantir is the company objecting to some way the woke DoD wants it to make its tools usable in?

I don't need a security clearance to feel very confident, based on following geopolitical events and the overall state of known global technology, that the chance of a significant number of missiles hitting American soil is small, at least as long as the government does not go too far in antagonizing nuclear powers, in which case all bets would be off. But I think the chance of nuclear war is small simply because national leaders are usually more averse to risking their own lives than the lives of soldiers or random civilians.

The humans who control American weapons are elected officials running DoD

Yes, but they want Anthropic to help humans not be in the loop. This is understandable from a military perspective, but it's understandable for Anthropic to be hesitant to help an administration that constantly uses reckless rhetoric with it.

As for TDS, I don't think I have it. I think I've been pretty fair to Trump and his people over the course of the last ten years. I have often defended them from some of the less just accusations that have been made against them. If I had TDS, I probably would have voted for Harris in the last election instead of doing what I did, which was vote for neither Harris nor Trump.

But despite my lack, as far as I can tell, of TDS, people like Hegseth, Miller, and Trump himself are disturbing me more and more lately with their rhetoric.

OpenAI just agreed to do what Anthropic would not do. Your entire analysis acts as though the only actors are Trump et al. and Anthropic. This is why I call it a form of TDS, because it’s as though all actors disappear except for whoever makes the story where Trump is disturbing make sense. You might not want hypersonic missile tech, but lots of people do! Lots of people who aren’t just Hegseth and Miller and Trump

OpenAI just agreed to do what Anthropic would not do.

Source? The Altman tweet announcing it said that he (and the DoW!) agreed to do what Anthropic was punished for.

Sure, many people are ok with giving Hegseth, Miller and Trump the AI technology. But that doesn't make it a good idea. And even if they think that trusting Trump with the tech is a good idea, as opposed to thinking it's not but wanting the money anyway, that still does not mean that trusting Trump with the tech is a good idea.

I might be misunderstanding your argument, though.

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