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I must have confused the details of a conversation re: Ireland.
This is an ad hominem attack, and a confused one. It’s not clear what you intend by Jewish. Are you counting Neturei Karta? The Samaritans and Karaites? Ezra Koenig? Glenn Greenwald and Max Blumenthal? If you mean “a system of beliefs and behavioral demands”, then there is nothing wrong with liking or disliking it based on its merits. I imagine you strongly dislike Salafism and Khameneism, or there is some ideology which you hate out of an impartial consideration. Do you mean the system of codified rulings considered normative among Rabbinical Judaism as practiced today? I think you got upset when I made a post a while back which specifically analyzed the moral code as taught among Orthodox Judaism.
This is not how the international community has ruled when they have come together at the UN. It seems you’re suggesting that international law is illegitimate. That’s unfortunate. Do you believe moral law is illegitimate? Why shouldn’t the international community come together to enjoin a minimum of rights and obligations?
How so?
When you’re living around everyone with a similar identity, there is no reason to distinguish (say) “Palestinian” from those living in the border regions of Lebanon. The Irish did not have a national identity until the 1800s.
Yes, the Sephardic Jews lived peacefully in Palestine for a long time. They were 2.5% of Palestine in 1800! Surely this doesn’t mean they deserve to inherit the whole thing though, right?
There's nothing confusing about it. Unlike you, I am not confused about your past statements. You attack Jews regularly. You have made it very clear that you do not like Jews. You do not like the Jewish religion and you do not like the Jewish people. You criticize Israel in an unprincipled manner, by which I mean you criticize Israel in a way that only applies to Israel (unlike leftist critics who criticize Israel because they have a general oppressed/oppressor model, or sometimes a general antipathy for all things Western, with which they associate Israel), because it is by proxy attacking Jews. I'm not going to pretend we're talking about the finer points of rabbinical Judaism or Samaritans or Karaites. Nor am I "upset" about this, any more than I was "upset" about your specious analysis of Orthodox Judaism.
I am calling it out, however, because it's annoying. (I suppose in that sense, "annoyed" is kind of like being "upset"). I am not going to argue about the history because as much as I find the history of the region quite interesting and endlessly convoluted (having read a number of books by Israeli histories, of both the Zionist and New Historian school, by Palestinian historians, largely of the Edward Said school, and by Western historians both from a pro- and anti-Israel perspective), I know when I engage with you, I am not engaging with someone interested in history, in justice, or in discerning truth and nuance, I'm engaging with someone whose core motivation is animus towards Jews, and thus everything you write on the subject is an argument-as-soldier. I can't change your mind, and you're allowed to hate Jews. But I'm not indulging the pretense that this is a discussion about international law or concern for Palestinians.
“You are hateful and motivated by hate” is the same old anti-Western argument that has been weaponized against Americans for 60 years now. It’s a stale, tired, and debunked anti-Christian canard. It’s been used by Marxists, Soviets, the racially-aggrieved, you name it. In recent years it has been rehashed by the pro-Israel mouthpieces who whisper in Trump’s ear. It is a laser-guided munition aimed directly at the Western Christian soul and its beautiful guilt-prone culture. And we are over it. No one buys it anymore. The guilt-tripwire has been illuminated and darkness will not overpower the Light.
As there is evidently nothing useful I can say to someone insistent on reading everything through the lens of pure hatred, I will only point you to the words of someone more Jewish than you, who has more experience in Israel. Feel free to call him an antisemite. This is from Moshe Ya'alon, the Minister of Defense in the 33rd and 34th Governments of Israel, the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Strategic Affairs in the 32nd Government, and the 17th Chief of the General Staff of the IDF:
There is no correlation between what I said and what you said. Nothing I said has anything to do with hatred of America, hatred of the West, or hatred of Christians.
Jewish supremacists exist and there is plenty to criticize Israel about.
Nonetheless, I repeat and assert my point: you do not care about Palestinians. You are not motivated by humanitarian concerns for Palestinians. You are not motivated by concerns that Israel's government is not as moral and democratic as it should be. You are motivated by hatred of Jews, which you express in many threads, even threads having nothing to do with Israel or Palestinians. This you have not and will not deny, you will only keep attempting to divert the issue with counter-accusations, such as trying to find some identity politic label to affix onto me that you think will be rhetorically effective. But prove me wrong and state unambiguously that you are not an anti-Semite and you do not hate Jews. I will state unambiguously that you are wrong and I do not hate America, the West, or Christians.
I have been against war in the Middle East since my youth, long before I knew that Israel played any role in it, back when most people thought it was for oil. My first political engagement was Ron Paul followed by Infowars (it was a different time). I was against it because it harms a lot of innocent people. For the same reason: I’m against the Ukraine war, I want to execute fentanyl dealers, I’m against Somali scammers, I am against mass low-wage migration, I am for tax-maxxing the wealthy into oblivion. “Does it harm innocent people and benefit the evil” — I am against it.
So you ask me how I feel about a “group” but refuse to define it. The issue I have with Israel is its oppression against innocent people, which is more egregious because they lie about it and because America supports it. If you ask me whether we should end relations with KSA for Yemen I would say yes, but this event is simply outside my political awareness, I see nothing about it anywhere and I can’t determine what’s true or false. There are separate issues I have with Jewish organizations:
they run the cars4kids scam which exploits compassionate Americans by stealing their cars under the pretense of charity. Up to 1 billion a year. This is evil. They are not called out by the Jewish community. Ben Shapiro shills them on his show. The Jewish community at large runs cover for it; no jew has stopped associating with the groups operating this scheme for moral reasons. They should be called out. I know people who have donated their car to them. I have, unwittingly, passed by their location on the way to a brewery. Their town is in my state, where they pop out 8 kids each using welfare schemes in addition to the charity scheme. When 70 of them got caught welfare scheming some years ago, they used their political connections to settle: all they had to do was pay back half the amount. You can watch a video about this town published two weeks ago with 8 million views because it turns out a lot of Americans hate evil.
they run the “fellowship of Christians and Jews” charity. This steals hundreds of millions of dollars. They exploit the compassion of Christians by manipulating their guilt-prone instincts under the guise of charity, targeting the elderly. All of the money goes to Israel. This is evil. It is abject evil. No one in the Jewish community calls it out.
they are engaged in the security grant program scheme. They are disproportionate recipients of hundreds of millions of dollars in these grants, and use it to build their religious centers. This was a united effort by the Jewish community, just like how they got themselves to be labeled minority business owners for loans.
in NYC they steal billions of dollars in public money so that their kids can be sent to religious indoctrination centers which do not teach English; they do not even learn how to spell “America”.
How should a normal, compassionate, rational person feel about the groups behind all this?
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