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If you can't see how this dismantles your entire argument, then I don't know what to say. If non-Jews can act like Jews, well - isn't that just behavior? What makes it particular to the Jews if other races can adopt it so easily?
I'm reminded of the stupidity of the progressive left with its expansive definition of white supremacy. Yours is the same idiocy, but for the Jews. You could just call it tribalistic nepotism and everyone would be fine with it, but you want it to be a particular crime that stains the entire Hebrew race, so you engage in these epicycles. You are not as clever as you think you are. Don't make the mistake of thinking the tactics that work on quokka liberals will work on me. I'll call you out on it every time.
The problem I have with Jared Kushner is not ipso facto that he is loyal to his own ethnostate, the problem I have is he undermines my country for the benefit of that foreign country while he ostensibly represents us in extremely important matters with enormous consequences.
The problem I have with Israel is not ipso facto that it is laser-focused on the well-being and thriving of Jews, the problem I have is how that operatively conflicts with my own political interests and weakens my country from within.
There's no contradiction in complaining about people working against my interests while also recognizing the elements that make it so effective and seeking to adopt them.
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