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I have data that says only 16% agree that a total phone ban at school is a good idea, and only 30% agree that any phone restrictions at all are a good idea. Tracks well with my experience in school.
Caused by doom scrolling and algo slop. Fix social media, don't target adult privacy rights and teenagers' access to phones.
Sleep related. Best solution is to delay school start times and encourage parents to give teenagers a bedtime, not this spyware bill.
Not a majority, too abstract a question, just a vibe, also too bad, this bill doesn't make the internet disappear (which would be a disaster), it just attacks internet privacy.
You'd need a book like The Case Against Education. Except, The Anxious Generation was slop and didn't even include most of the data Haidt used on Substack to make the case. He actually dumbed it down for normies. Apparently normies need a fallacious book to accept that there is a problem, but a non-fallacious one can't be produced. Hm.
I would distinguish between school discipline matters and social matters. Clearly, young people aren't happy with the digital first childhood, but all kids like messing around in school. The two positions aren't really in conflict. Although frankly, the idea that we should be consulting children on the kind of discipline they are subject to seems pretty stupid. I imagine a lot of kids would like to be able to bring alcohol into school too.
I mean, I'm 100% behind banning stuff like infinite scroll, but it's not like there's a big button governments can press that says 'make the digital world not addictive'. I mean, really think about what that would entail. You'd have to ban video games, youtube, dating apps, Reddit and a bunch of other stuff I haven't thought of. There's an awful lot of stuff on the internet that is (or can be) addictive. I've dumbed down my phone about as much as possible and I still find myself idly scrolling on the Wikipedia app. Addictiveness is just a characteristic of the digital world. Banning it all for everyone would be far more authoritarian than just preventing teenagers from using the worst offending apps.
Delaying school start times isn't a bad idea, but we had early school start times before and we didn't have kids demanding restrictions on themselves. This is different. Also, bedtimes, really? Do you honestly think that parents haven't thought of 'tell your children to go to bed'? The kids themselves recognise the problem isn't 'lack of bedtimes', it's the addiction machine sitting on the bedside table.
The very fact that such a high number would want to delete a technology that is so integrated into their lives should give you pause for thought. Teenagers in the 1920s didn't want to ban the radio, kids in the 50s didn't wish they lived in a world without television. The internet has clearly damaged the social fabric in a meaningful way, and the fact that young people have noticed too deserves more than a flippant response.
I've read both of these books but I really don't understand what point you're trying to make here. Could you clarify?
Maybe less stupid than consulting the rabble on the kind of laws they are subject to, considering they destroy civilization when they choose wrong, but kids in school just have a little more fun, since school is pointless anyway.
Governments could ban infinite scroll, start at a fine of $10 million per day of any company commanded to remove infinite scroll. I bet it will be gone quickly.
No, you don't have to be any more consistent than your take on schools and democracy. The government is a murderous asshole that goes on random violent rampages over small triggers, it is not a Kantian philosopher attempting to achieve a perfectly Consistent moral Order of Things.
Either-or fallacy. Ponder heroin and cigarettes, if you will.
Maybe it wouldn't replicate.
You don't know that.
How? What's confusing you?
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Do you not remember being 12/14 and arguing passionately that you were now old enough to be allowed stay up late(r)? Maybe you can force 15 year old Teen Kid to go to their bedroom, but you can't force them to go to sleep (and you can't lock them in, either).
Apparently 50% of them now want a bedtime, so why would this be an issue for them?
But you can take their phone for the night, which is what I presume digital curfew means. Or use some kind of parental control so that it locks down.
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