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Culture War Roundup for the week of February 13, 2023

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To wit: they have now responded. If I were to be uncharitable thier more plain language version sounds more like mien kamph than rationalist. Peel back another layer and we might get there. But I am being charitable. They are right that "straw folk" ...i mean "woke folk" ignore statistics and don't seem to have anwers. But the implication that they push, and it's right there, is that some white nationalism is in order. That's what I wanted them to more articulately express so no one can misunderstand.

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Thanks for providing an example. Since you have been molded by those efforts I describe, your conclusion is to pattern-match me to Hitler while handwaving away the mendacity of egalitarians like mere good-natured statistical ignorance and chortling about strawmen – rather than pattern-match their conspicuous denial of harm their policies cause to a hostile conspiracy, and dismiss alarms going off at me.

It's funny that you contrast the «white nationalist» reading to a «rationalist» one. Rationalists deal in hypotheses and adjustment of priors. Do you think you are being a better rationalist?

People's beliefs are determined by attractors built over years of indoctrination, so the word vomit they spew is largely post hoc rationalization for what they already can't not believe. Like I say:

But after a few generations grow up on a steady diet of mocking the very premise of the problem, it doesn't matter what facts you show them: their thought trajectories cannot exit the basin where this problem can be divorced from white people problems

Like you say:

They are right that "straw folk" ...i mean "woke folk" ignore statistics and don't seem to have anwers. But the implication that they push, and it's right there, is that some white nationalism is in order.

Oooh, you caught me. It's right there. We can't have that, can we? I mean, repelling Section 8 or, G-d forbid, legalizing nonviolent race-exclusionary communities that you don't have to be rich or nonwhite to get into would be the worst, right right? Tearing that down in South Africa is a great success story, correct? Some fucking whiteys are still resisting, but it's clearly not acceptable and will be made unsustainable.

Peel back another layer and we might get there.

I appreciate the self-confidence.

But I am being charitable.

That too, but you know, I can take a bit more beating. Be my guest.

Oh this is fun! I've been banned from reddit so many times I finally gave up three years ago. Everytime for calling out the "woke left". Do you even know what they are? I can educate you as a "leftwinger" and we can circle jerk about what cucks they are and that sounds hot. But I am suspecious that you might think I am gay.

My self confidence about your trajectory is confirmed by this very comment. Socratic method works!

I really don't need to say anything. You have said what I wanted you to say.

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I think you misunderstand the «Socratic method», but you're welcome to keep going. (BTW, is the typo in your flair intentional?)

OP was using obtuse languge to say something they were afraid to say in plain language. In plain language I asked them to clarify.

Your success at this would be logically inconsistent with the premise of my being afraid to speak plainly. Now, how about you speak plainly, without bald assertions in the style of

sounds more like mien kamph than rationalist

But the implication that they push, and it's right there, is that some white nationalism is in order. That's what I wanted them to more articulately express so no one can misunderstand.

and self-congratulatory vague bullshit like

My self confidence about your trajectory is confirmed by this very comment.

I really don't need to say anything. You have said what I wanted you to say.

I was well aware of what they were saying. I wanted them to say it plainly so they couldn't hide what they really felt behind flowery, obtuse pseudo intellectual languge.

You appeal to forum rules and culture. There's a norm here against darkly hinting and insinuating, and also against building consensus. If you believe your conclusions are so self-evident that none could misunderstand, you clearly can afford to spell them out while you're at it. Running victory laps high on your own supply is pretty cringe.

Lol. I'm 8 deep. All I keep saying is that you can keep talking. I encourage you to keep talking. My goal is to hear you talk. I like talking to you. I want to hear you. You are seen and heard. This is me speaking plainly. I want to hear you. But you are not so good at being heard.

What do you think are my motives? Do you believe I have an agenda? By what mechanism are black folk different from white folk such that the only solution is segregation or some such?

You are loved.

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Answering a question with a stream of questions and vague platitudes is a foolish strategy. I ask you again to substantiate your mention of Mein Kampf specifically, and to describe what you think is damning in my posts without building consensus by circularly pointing to what I've written and going «see? see?».

By what mechanism are black folk different from white folk such that the only solution is segregation or some such?

By generic mechanisms of divergent evolution over the last 50 thousand years or so, which has resulted in inherently different norms of reaction on a large number of socially relevant traits, including cognitive ability, impulsivity, aggression, time preference, self-esteem. As a result, the distribution of outcomes of black people is a poor fit for a majority-white culture: it naturally puts a plurality of them into an underclass, dragging down the rest, while burdening everyone else with supporting and guarding against an underclass of a size that a majority-white society is not well equipped for; and it is not very ethical that this be solved at the expense of whites, especially by having them cope with lower standards.

Ironically I agree with you that promotion of institutional religiosity and strong family structure would «improve» blacks' outcomes relative to whites' ones, and diminish the whole problem. It's akin to the third option in my post («state-mandated upbringing») which you accuse of being too flowery and obscurantist. But doing so in practice would amount to social engineering, and I don't see how it could succeed without acknowledging facts on the ground, which is to say, inherently different norms of reaction and the necessity of disparate treatment, or indeed comprehensively different social environments.

You are loved.

I am well aware of being loved, but this transparent passive aggressive behavior is not welcome here. I don't mean I take issue with it, but mods may. If you want to keep being clever, do remember that we aren't on Reddit.

I hardly think asking you clarifying questions goes agianst the rules of this forum. As I said I have not been on Reddit for years. I am not a "redditor".

Am I clever? Or did I simply ask you to use plain language as is asked in the guidelines?

I used Mien Kamph as an end member on a scale on a conversation about your obtuse comment with someone who os not you. I never accused you directly of being a nazi but simply pointed out the fact that your language when simplified is closer to Mien Kamph than Bambi. Your advocation for racial segragation proves I am right. But I had to "trick" you in saying so. I am playing fair. I let you say the bad things. I just say you are loved and heard. I hear you bro.

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Your advocation for racial segragation proves I am right.

Have you even read «Mien Kamph»?

But I had to "trick" you in saying so. I am playing fair. I let you say the bad things.

Are you under the impression that I've been trying to hide anything, or that anything I've said is bad? Can you argue this without simply claiming that racial segregation is far from Bambi?

You seem to be losing control of your extremities, «bro». I suggest you don't post while inebriated.

Holy cow. I really don't have to say anything at all do I? What questions do you think I should ask instead...you know...for clarity?

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