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So, what are you reading?

I'm trying to finish Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale. This time around it is resonating, perhaps because the abstract desire for freedom is on my mind.

Trash

A Conneticut Yankee in king arthur's court: This trashy isekai light novel was written by mark twain in the 1880s but it follows most modern Trashy Isekai light novel tropes to a T.

MC is sent to a magical world via Isekaitis? Hammer kun is truck kun

MC is sent to a world where his modern knowledge makes him into a god? Check

World is effectively built around MC's ability? Check

MC gets a harem? Check (kinda)

and the big one you already knew it. The Title is also the premise.

Re:Zero: I have no clue why but I read 20 volumes of a time loop mystery. The thing that this story does is make our main character go through many different time loops in succession each "arc" is basically one time loop where our main character must both figure out the mystery and defeat the opponent. But our main character suffers a lot. Even though we have plot armor as an integral part of the story he suffers much more in interesting ways than most fantasy characters. This story is very well done with deep lore.

Stuff I read that is a waste of time but I can pretend to justify it better

The Chemical Formulary: A book of chemical recipies made in the 1930s has a lot of interesting ideas and also some of the worst ideas humanity has ever had.

One line you're reading an idea on how to prevent fog on your car then a little later you're reading about putting thallium in the ground to kill ants

The Geneva convention : I swear reading the Geneva convention has changed my opinion of fictional wars. Mainly I start to think the "good guys" are actually just fucking war criminals a lot.

The federalist papers: Some very interesting old papers where you get a great insight into the opinions of the founding fathers both how much foresight they had and how much they lacked. Really a great series of documents showing that these guys were absolutely insane. (in both a good and bad way)

I hear Isekai and its tropes trashed constantly. Why is that? Compared to other genres (kung-fu fighting shonen, school slice of life), is it more predictable, more numerous, not as enjoyable, or something else?

There are well-received “normal(ish) person transported to alternate world” works, like Gravity Falls, Narnia, Idiocracy, Harry Potter.

My guesses:

Isekai doesn’t even try to justify why the normal person is in the alternate world. Presumably writers who choose Isekai instead of Isekai-like prefer not justifying major plot points.

More likely, because most Isekai are trash, people who like Isekai tend to prefer trash, and people who dislike trash tend to have prejudice against Isekai. So either a) the author makes an Isekai-like to avoid the prejudice, b) they make a trash Isekai, or c) they have a small audience.

Thanks for your response, although I'll admit it didn't help me very much. For one, I didn't list "trash" as a reason, and the closest analog was "not enjoyable." I don't understand art criticism, so if art critics (or other taste gatekeepers) give vague criticism, I just phrase it descriptively as "they did not enjoy it." Should I just note that as your position?

"Not justifying major plot points" is interesting. Is a premise the same as a major plot point? In lots of fantasy there are magic systems that do not have any justification. I'm assuming that this is not a case where there are repetitive, periodic deus ex machina or a systemic problem with bad writing? If the premise is this unrealistic thing, like who cares? Is It's A Wonderful Life trash? Is the issue that Isekai tries to steal valor by having a dumb premise and doesn't even bother to do something interesting (="enjoyable") with it?

You’re right that plenty of good works rely on unexplained premises/plot (e.g. any involving magic, Bojack Horseman why animals are antropomorphized). So I take back my first theory.

Second theory: “trash” can be substituted for anything and the general point holds: when the work is clearly Isekai, people have predefined expectations, people who like / dislike the genre like / dislike those expectations respectively.

Why this applies to Isekai more than other genres…because Isekai tends to be predictable, so the expectations are stronger.

You can "not justify" something in the sense that we don't know a justification for why gravity exists and works the way it does, and you can "not justify" something in the sense that despite everything we've been told about gravity, an apple falls up instead of down.

Shouldn’t it be enough to be able to suspend your disbelief when it comes to literature? It’s not at all like hard sciences.

Once you’ve come the postulate of necessity in philosophical terms, you’ve reached the end of the explaining that you can do. At some point these are just bottom level features of reality. Reality only has one level or organization, and that’s the lowest level; despite the separate cognitive elements that keep track of the different levels of organization.

Naturally, I suspend disbelief when reading most literature. However, suspending disbelief for increasingly formulaic and lazy disbelief-inducers gets boring.

If apples are constantly falling up even though we're always told they fall down, it would seem to be a systemic, periodic problem and not just a silly premise.

So it sounds like: the initial Isekai premise is just the first instance of the inevitable general tendency to Make Shit Up (commonly called 'bad writing'?)

If an apple fell up once so conveniently that the entire plot happened (and it was never explained), I'd consider that bad writing unless, I suppose, the irony of this one unexplained anomaly is the entire premise.

If there are apples falling up periodically yet it's never recognized or addressed in-universe even though it drives the entire plot, again, bad writing.

If an apple fell up once so conveniently that the entire plot happened, I'd consider that bad writing unless, I suppose, the irony of this one unexplained anomaly is the entire premise.

This seems obviously correct to me, except that empirically it's just wrong. Off the top of my head I can't actually think of any other examples in which it's wrong, though; is there some meta-irony here about how there's this one unexplained anomaly in the category of narrative quality of anomalies?

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I really wish there were some good isekai works out there, but as a genre it's near-uniquely prone to promising really good central ideas, and then immediately dropping them for glorified wish fulfillment antics. It's not that the stories are predictable, but that where they're going is just not very interesting, and the conflict with the potential makes it really obvious. And that seems to have only gotten worse as the genre has matured.

So you have a fascinating world with deep questions... that's not going to get answered or explored. You have a character that's badly out of depth in a world where that's a punishing problem... and is going to be overpowered godmode in ten chapters. You have a relationships that have to cross massive cultural boundaries and make serious compromises... and it's not going to matter, because the main character's going to have between three and ten waifus dangling from his arm regardless of where they can even speak his language. You have an opportunity to seriously think about the portability of knowledge or critical thinking skills when entering a world where even the laws of physics are different... and it's almost always going to go full It's Magic I Don't Gotta Explain Shit.

They can be fun reads - trash can be fun, and I'm not above reading or writing power fantasy or fixit fics or harem comedy - but they're seldom deep books, and almost never good and deep. So they're trash.

Connecticut Yankee at least tries to be bitter (albeit as much to keep with the time travel stable loop thing than out of real conviction), but it's still very central an example of the genre's problems: Hank's dropped into a complicated society he deeply disagrees with, and the answer is Invent Gun and Get Lucky (both figuratively, and separately with a literal eclipse). The only real depth is using the as a metaphor for then-current problems (the aftermath of slavery, papists, the gullibility of the populace, so on), but Twain's heavy-handed enough that they're equivalent to a modern-day writer putting Ronald Grump as a isekai villain.

To be fair, Twain was also writing in the 1880s, so he was literally inventing a lot of the tools of modern literature, so it's hard to blame him too much for not reinforcing his themes with his events. But modern-day writers don't have that excuse.

Spellsinger is my personal nemesis: it opens up with an everyman protagonist who genuinely gets squicked out by the realistic conventions of a fantasy (furry-adjacent, my kryptonite!) world, along with a 'magic' that borrows from science and that the protagonist doesn't have any unique strengths with... and then there's a two-page transition that turns into the protagonist solving every problem with the power of badly-mangled rock song. It's one of the few books I've literally thrown across the room. I've read some stinkers, but this is a book that could have been a lot more.

If you want recs, RE:Zero is good if you don't mind the gore, Magic Kingdom for Sale Sold is a pretty central example of the genre and its flaws done reasonably, Vision of Escaflowne is better-known for its visuals but does a good job for its time. Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure is decent if very much worse than Tenchi Muyo for 'stupid harem hijinks'. Dark Lord of Derkholm is kinda a deconstruction, enough that I don't really count it as isekai, but it does a good job of pointing out the problems.

Ar'Kendrytheist is one of very few works to actually take its setting assumptions seriously (and finish), but it's very long and extremely progressive-coded (if only rarely so woke as to be actively detrimental rather than merely smarmy), so I'm a little cautious to put it into the clear recommend list. Arguably Beware of Chicken as a 'shorter' (aka several novella) comedy, though it's not as good about avoiding the pitfalls. I have high hopes for the Contention series, but it's just at the crux of both 'what's the answer to our grabbing mystery' and 'does the main character naturally learn from his mistakes, or does he just get overpowered' at the end of Book 2 and that's kinda the turning point between good-for-isekai and awful.

Isekai is usually a thin excuse to put a protagonist most palatable to the modern audience - a modern person - into a wholly alien setting (making the setting "modern world but changed" would require extra work on integrating the changes while keeping the MC relatable). This is seen as immature reading.

It also intersects with tropes such as power fantasy (protagonist has some power that puts them ahead of natives, usually not gained through effort).

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